Levin declares a person cannot be a ‘progressive’ and ‘support the Constitution’

You can parrot all day long if you like, but we are OBVIOUSLY both a democracy and representative republic and as long as we vote for our representatives we will remain that way.

Will you be voting, or do you also reject democracy by not participating in our democratic elections?

Apparently you care about it even less, because it speaks about voting, which is the trademark of democratic systems.

 

You can continue to ignore the fact that the very definition of a republic allows for elected officials. Just because democracies sometimes allows for the same does not mean that democracies are the sole proprietor to elections of representatives. We are not a democracy.

 

Voting for your representatives is also a trademark of a representative republic. As constitutionally designed. The constitution even names it as it’s guaranteed form of government.

 

A Republican form of government has little to no resemblance to the Republican Party.

This is an old argument based solely on right wing spin. Small d democracy is what we have, and what we need to keep, in spite of right wing efforts to undermine the very fabric of our nation. You can call it a Republic, but we the people elect our leaders via democratic process.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/democracy/Democracy-or-republic

"... even after Roman citizenship was expanded beyond the city itself and increasing numbers of citizens were prevented from participating in government by the time, expense, and hardship of travel to the city, the complex Roman system of assemblies was never replaced by a government of representatives—a parliament—elected by all Roman citizens. Venetians also called the government of their famous city a republic, though it was certainly not democratic."

A republic can be a minority-rule government, and we're currently experiencing minority rule in many states whose legislatures are inundated with Republicans voted in by way of gerrymandered districts. Republicans are a minority in America, and shrinking fast due to Trumpianism.

"When the members of the United States Constitutional Convention met in 1787, terminology was still unsettled. Not only were democracy and republic used more or less interchangeably in the colonies, but no established term existed for a representative government “by the people.”

This thread is a straw man argument.

 

Fail.

 

Perhaps the Democrat willingness to add two plus two and obtain the random number of their choice is part of the problem?

 

Did I say that it did? I’m just saying we are not a democracy. And that liberals do not support the constitution. One of the reasons is they are trying to do away with the electoral college among other things

 

If the election does not matter why do we bother to have one? You are saying that because we are a Republic instead of a Democracy that everything that happened was Constitutional. I don't see how one can negate laws because of what one names the government. The Constitution is the Constitution. You are ignoring the U.S. Constitution Amendment XII and Amendment XIV section 2 as well as federal law. If one part of the Constitution can be ignored than all parts can be.

 

The EC has democratic voting per state to preserve the integrity of states which is one reason why the US form of gov't is a republic and not a democracy.

 

And how do we determine representatives? Voting which is DEMOCRACY.

 

DEMOCRACY

 

Which makes you wonder why Trump and his followers wanted to overthrow it in the last election.

 

The funny thing is, our Constitution was designed SPECIFICALLY to protect The People from government overreach. You would think that, if progressives find the Constitution is standing in the way of their goals, that it would be obvious their ideology is incompatible with our Constitution. When they speak of repealing the 2nd amendment, or the electoral college, what they are talking about is incompatible with our Constitution. That should be an indication to them that maybe they are on the wrong side.

 

So there is no mechanism for changing the constitution.

 

Why do democrats think that democracy is the sole proprietor to voting? Look up the definition of a republic. Elections are also mentioned in that political form. We…. Are Not….. A ….. Democracy

 

Look up the term "faithless electors". Also look up the court case Ray vs Blair and then the court case of Chiafalo v. Washington and Colorado Department of State v. Baca.

 

Ha!!! Find me a 3/4ths of the states willing to do either. Or find me 2/3rds of both houses willing to do either. There is a path but not anywhere near the actual needed support exists to do either of those things.

 

WE ARE A DEMOCRACY

 

I am not ignoring them at all. Show me where is says those electors must vote in favor of their constituencies

 

The constitution says different. Maybe you should read it someday.

you are a shining example on why democrats don’t support the constitution

 

That didn't happen this time they reflected the vote from their state as the law intended.
"Couldbes" and "mighta beens" do not excuse what happened on January 6th and that day is not a reflection on how conservatives respect the Constitution. It is also not Constitutional to try to replace duly elected/appointed electors. The Congress had no Constitutional right to do anything except count and certify the electors vote. They can not change it. They can not throw it out.

 

Show me where it states that it must reflect the electorate or where it claims congress must certify the votes of the electoral college as they voted. There is no such law or section in the constitution that states that

 

The Constitution says it is Congress's role to open the EC votes and to count them all. That's it. There are no additional powers granted to them in the Constitution to "certify" anything while they are opening and counting. The later ECA clarified what counts as a certified EC vote. This is part of what Trump tried to throw in the garbage.

 

Lol

 

I stand corrected on this issue.