LGBT and military service

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I mostly did traffic and I work at a largely reserves Department so I had a different partner every day I worked.

    Most of the action I ever saw was dealing with drunk drivers.
     
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    I was walking home one night, and a punk hit me in the back with a half filled plastic soda bottle, it still hurt, I walked a bit a called a 10-85 for an off duty MOS, and an unmarked car pulled up with 4 plain clothes men, and saw me with my P-200 Motorola radio, in my hand, and a Detective asked, are you the one they hit ?

    I nodded, and pointed out the crowd across the street, pointing with my radio antenna, those guys, the first guy said, they call me Crunch, you will see why in a minute.....

    The car made a brisk U-turn and pulled a bit behind the crowd and the 4 Detectives exited the car with bats and went to work, you heard thumps as they beat the Guys, older teens, in the butt mostly, they left them laid out and moaning and growning and much wiser for it.......
     
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  3. Polydectes

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    Were you in New York how long did you serve?
     
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    Yes, N.Y.C.

    All told, around 10 years last action
    9/11/2001 at ground zero, W.T.C
     
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  5. Polydectes

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    I was with the constables in Harris county. Just past one year
     
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    Good job.
     
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    I can understand that within the medical context, the use of the word abnormal would indicate a supposed negative. I guess that normally you are noting things that are wrong, and nothing that is medically good, even of it is unusual or odd. So I can see why it would only have a negative implication. However, that would be a specific contextual application. The use of the word in statistics would have no inherent positive or negative, nor would it in general conversation save as a person provides context towards.

    As I noted, I believe that the one writer is not using abnormal in a medical sense, but more a statistical sense, thus no automatic negative implication.
     
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    Why does abnormal need to be insulting?

    Normal is normal and abnormal is abnormal.

    Get a grip.
     
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    Sounds like a mouse-pack attack.

    Best to avoid crowds of all types. Especially after dark.
     
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    Keeping private info private and staying in the closet seemed like best practices to me.

    I don't want to know if someone is alternative or straight.
     
  11. DaveBN

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    Just going off of Merriam-Webster’s definition. But again not the point of the thread.

    The problem there is it takes away one’s right to discuss their personal life. Straight people are able to talk about their marriage and their wife/husband, I should be able to do the same without fear of reprisal.
     
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    If you have to avoid parts of your life to keep things private that is exhausting it is difficult and it's hard to stay sane that way. And if you don't want to know something that's as much on you is it is on someone else. They can try not to talk about it all the time and I would say that's a good practice but if you find out that is not their fault.
     
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    Ergo then don't discuss your personal life.
     
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    I got out in 2005 after 6 years of active duty in the US Army as a dismounted infantryman in the 1st Cavalry Division. In my unit there was a couple of soldiers who were not infantrymen but attached to us in a support role who were obviously gay, but closeted due to the policy of DADT.

    I heard the occasional insult about them behind their back, but TBF they were treated fine by everyone. The thing is, in an infantry unit, if you are not infantry you are considered a lesser person anyway. So, nobody really cared about them anyway. The fact that they were obvioulsy gay did not make them any less because they were already sub-humans...LOL

    POG: Personnel Other than Grunt
     
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    Is that advice directed to all professional settings, or just the military? And are you suggesting that only for LGBT individuals or for all people.
    Being able to confide in your fellow man is a pretty essential part of human interaction. Sure you could seek that outside of your professional settings, but in the military there’s a good chance you don’t know anyone outside of your professional environment. Between basic training, AIT, and a deployment within two months at my first unit I spent a good three years completely isolated from any person not in the military. Was I to spend that whole time locked inside my own head socially? There’s no way that kind of interpersonal isolation Is healthy for anyone and ultimately leads to a degradation of a soldiers combat readiness.

    Yep, I’ve known plenty of door kickers with that mentality. I always shrugged it off because they wouldn’t have been able to do their jobs if I didn’t do mine first. I think most of them did it for sake of the meme.
     
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    In the military the young bucks usually talk about Susie Rotten-Crotch and how they bedded her.

    So twisting that story into a homo version would be sickening for most.

    In general it is best to keep your private life private, yes.
     
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    You are right. The infantry would starve without beans and be killed without bullets. So, without support, the infantry would be in a tough spot.

    However, I am not sure I completely understand what you meant by doing it "for the sake of the meme". Do you mean the attitude? If so, it is inherent in being infantry. We may struggle without support, but what we do is a level that the vast majority of people would never consider doing. So the attitude is natural.

    I was always open minded though. Like our plt medic in OIF II. We indoctrinated him as infantry. He might as well be. He went right through the **** with us and never blinked an eye, and I mean every day and every night with us, not just the occasional civil affairs or psyops patrol. He holds his head high because of that. He is still in and we talk online. It's funny watching him tell the other medics that he is also an infantryman and then we will all chime in on his side. He showed a tremendous amount of bravery. I personally watched him save more than one life with his hands. I have a great deal of respect for combat medics. I digress.
     
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    So no discussion of personal life for anyone under any circumstances ever? You really didn’t put much effort into answering the questions I posed, did you?

    I’ve managed to be pretty open with my fellow soldiers about who I am without ever bragging about bedding Jody Rotten-Crotch. Not sure why you assume human interaction is going to devolve to such a basic level. <<< MODERATOR EDIT: FLAMEBAIT >>>
     
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    Maybe meme wasn’t the right discriptor. It’s always seemed to me to be a joke that some took more seriously than others. But seeing as I’m not in that role I could have that wrong.

    As far as combat medics go I’ve always known them to be grunts with a heavier bag. At least that’s how I’ve always heard them describe it.
     
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    Religion, politics, orientation, and sex should never be discussed -- correct.

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    Iay not want to know if someone is married or not, or have kids or not, but it doesn't stop them from talking about it.

    What you consider private others might not. What others consider private youay not.
     
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    It is not a joke. It is serious that the infantry consider themselves better than average soldiers. It is true.

    And no, medics are not grunts with a heavier bag. For one thing, the infantryman's ruck sack sometimes weighs 90 lbs. Not only that, but Doc saves lives, infantry takes them.
     
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    By definition, in a heterosexual species homosexuality is abnormal. And in terms of social constructs, homosexuality is abnormal for human society.

    And if soldiers are tolerant of LGBT, its because they know the rules and how to answer and act so they don't ruin their career, its not because they accept LGBT as normal.

    I've been in "Sensitivity training", its BS, nobody believes it. But you sit in the class, nod your head, give the answers you know they want to hear, and when its over you go out and roll your eyes with all the other people, mumble "glad that **** is over so I can get back to work". If anything it just reminds everyone how stupid the leadership is, and creates resentment that "LGBTs" get special treatment and interfere with everyones real job. But you pretend and play their little game because its just the cost of getting to do what you really want to do.

    In all my life, I cannot think of one person who was LGBT or I even thought was LGBT.
     
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    That is you.

    I know differently.
     
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    Then you know wrong. In my experience, people don't accept LGBT as normal. They pretend to accept because they know how to play the game. And if you are just talking to them, then you are an outsider and you are getting the answers they think you want to hear. Thats exactly what I would do. But when they are by themselves, when its just you and your team, all the pretend PC crap is gone.
     

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