Libs, did you have this moment in your life that partially caused you to be liberal?

Don't worry, buddy, teenage angst doesn't last forever.

 

Thanks mate.

Exactly! I only use the terms left and right because it's a convenient way to communicate. Everyone has their own set of unique beliefs on each and every issue and that's the way it should be.

First of all the two parties live up to almost none of these positions, but at leas in rhetoric I agree with the left on reducing corporate welfare, completely legalizing (but not taxing or regulating) all substances, getting marriage out of the tax code (and thus letting individuals decide what marriage means to them), ending all wars (although the private sector should be able to employ defence services), etc - and I agree with the right on eliminating all tax, affirmative action, property rights, not demonizing corporations beyond reducing all government assistance, etc.

I don't know about that. I'm in the middle/upper middle class, I would benefit from a leftist economic policy, and so would most other people in the right. It's more an ideological thing. Sure, the businessman and politicians have a lot of greed, but they use that to manipulate the government, without coercion greed is fine. very few obscenely greedy people are libertarian on economics because they would much prefer to coerce others through government power (this is how many corporations operate today).

Sure there are, but they aren't the same for every individual. The right in general comes at its politics from a subjective view of fairness and national supremacy, which leads to them being authoritarian on social policy. I come at it from the perspective of liberty, so I am liberal on economics and social policy.

I tend to think it's more the feeling that they need to be sympathetic. It's a kind of group thinking that everyone else seems to be, and one should be sympathetic, and they take this to a bit of an extreme: a coercive extreme.

The right drums up a lot of fear over security concerns.

I tend to concentrate more on the truth of their viewpoints, but yeah - the left tends to be authoritarian on economics and social policy in practice. That annoys me a lot. Of course, there are many, many leftists who aren't, but their establishment is. Then again, the Republicans aren't better at all.

 

thats the picture cons always draw of liberals and its rediculous..show me a liberal that fits in this description...

 

You said "I believe that the quality of fear is far more predominant on the Left than on the Right."


Scientists call the US republican party a "corporate propaganda group." And fear is used by propaganda groups.
That's why I can list many republican fear tactics, and you most likely can't even list (one) used by democrats.

Examples of republican fear tactics.

1. Democrats will turn us into communists.
2. Democrats health bills will take away your grandmothers doctor.
3. Democrats want to set up death panels.
4. If we do something about global warming it will kill the economy.
5. Democrats want to take away everyone's guns.


I could list many more.
Can you post just (one) democrat fear tactic ??


You said "I believe that fear is the worst of qualities to base a philosophy on (along with hatred), and therefore I think that in a very real way, the Left is the inferior philosophy." (and) "I believe that fear is the worst of qualities to base a philosophy on (along with hatred), and therefore I think that in a very real way, the Left is the inferior philosophy."

Can you explain your above statements with just one single fact ??
Or do you just post fantasies that you can't explain in anyway ??

 

I am not a 'Lib', but I did support the Liberal Party when I was seven, and wrote 'Vote Liberal' on our wall, despite the fact that they had no candidate in our constituency. Harry Pollitt, Chairman (I think) of the CPGB came to call, my Father was deeply embarassed, and I got my first introduction to serious politics. I can't imagine how people turn Liberal. Time machines?

 

Such as?

 

And then you said "I believe that fear is the worst of qualities to base a philosophy on (along with hatred), and therefore I think that in a very real way, the Left is the inferior philosophy."

Are you saying the left has hatred ??

Because republicans hate,
1. welfare
2. sect 8 housing
3. South American immigrants
4. unemployment benefits
5. tax cuts for the working poor
6. unions
7. high min wages
8. health insurance for all
ex.ex.ex.ex.ex.

(Lets see you list some things that democrats hate.)

The fact is republicans hate everything except trickle down economics and corporate deregulation.
Republicans hate 10,000x more things than democrats.


Something tells me you are 10x smarter than this, you should turn off the Fox and Rush and get back to some real conservative beliefs.

Sorry if I was rude,
Chad.

 

Really? prove it? From what I do and what I see republicans give more and donate more of their time and money to help others.

I am sorry we don't believe the government should be doing things that it should not be involved in because it (*)(*)(*)(*)s up everything it touches.

So again, please provide factual information, links, articles to back up that republicans hate all of the things you listed. Thanks in advance.

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Really? prove it? From what I do and what I see republicans give more and donate more of their time and money to help others.

I am sorry we don't believe the government should be doing things that it should not be involved in because it (*)(*)(*)(*)s up everything it touches.

So again, please provide factual information, links, articles to back up that republicans hate all of the things you listed. Thanks in advance.

 

You don't even understand the people you're criticizing. You project entirely too much. South American immigrants? Where the hell did you even get that?

 

In the 50s, the upper class gave up on beating the Democrats (Eisenhower wasn't really political) so they came up with this scheme of making their sons join the Democratic Party and pervert it into having an anti-majority agenda. Not only do Limousine Liberals purposely act disgusting to trick the disempowered majority into voting for the Country-Club Conservatives in reaction (as in Bad Cop, Good Cop), they also benefit the economic fascists by their fake agenda. Environmentalism makes us unnecessarily dependent on foreign oil so that our own oil companies can piggyback off OPEC price-fixing and charge us dozens of times what it cost them to pump out the oil.

Integration was to break up the natural solidarity of the unions. Feminism and Homosexuality are tools to emasculate the working class so they won't be man enough to fight back against the Liberals' Right-Wing fathers. Vietnam war protests were just class supremacy brats calling working-class soldiers "baby killers," and had nothing to do with the war and nothing to do with ending it. Notice how fake the pro-war side was, committing treason to get preppie pukes like Bush, Quayle, and Romney out of having to fight.

Taking one side or the other side in this fake debate is suicide. But you've all been brainwashed into believing that they believe. The whole specious spectrum is a fraud and a one-way street. The middle of their road is where the fake independents become road kill. Better to be on the highway over their royalist dirt road and look down on it. Up above the nonsense that passes for political thought here is a nice place from which to spit.

 

The Liberal Snob Mob may pay lip service to unions, but they hate working-class Whites and consider us to all be like Archie Bunker, once again proving the Liberals are agents of the Right Wing. Since the 60s, when these upper-class brats took over Liberalism, union membership has gone from being a threat to fascist economics to being a joke.

 

Only 6% of scientists are Republican, proving that's it's not the smart choice.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of they were dropped on their head or got in a terrible car accident.

 

I believe I made this clear in a previous post, but I am strong believer in the social contract. I uphold the ideals of individual rights and freedoms, including but not limited to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, property, and revolution. I deem these rights and freedoms inalienable, self-evident, and universally cognizant. I recognize that we are entitled to the equal opportunity of exercising such rights and protection of them under the law, making them unalienable. In that regard, I am a classical liberal.

On the other hand, I recognize the need to extend these rights and freedoms for purposes of social cohesion and harmony. In that regard, I uphold the notion that equality of result can be achieved, and see the legitimate use of force by the state as the means by which this may occur. Therefore, I am also a modern liberal.

Of course, my philosophical tenets are not limited to liberalism. I am also an individual concerned with minimizing the use of coercion and maximizing freedom, both in the context of the state and civil society. In that regard, I am a libertarian. Lastly, I am a proponent of pursuing a non-hierarchal society without the use of coercion, both in the context of the state and civil society. In that regard, I am an anarchist. I would include my views on international relations, and my meta-commentary on political philosophy, but both unnecessarily distort my political worldview.

 

Evidence.

Sources and statistics required.

Please elaborate further on why people do not have freedom at work.

Are you a retarded person? No, no hard feelings, please do not take it the offensive way, because I doubt your logical faculty:

Worst thing can be done to you by your boss:fire you, refusal of payment, etc.

Worst thing can be done to you by the federal government: Predator drone strike, SWAT assault, police siege, imprisonment...

No, I'm a productive citizen. I make sure as many Americans get as many products at prices as low as possible.

America does not need lots like you: whining, leeching and sucking welfare robbed from productive citizens while being grateful to your Washington overlords that grace you with bread crumbs they dropped on the floor. 7 out of top 10 congressmen/congresswomen are all Democrats. They need feds to get government contract. Face it, time to take your head out of the sand.

 

Why does the Right only have a problem with the least wealthy making more money?