We republicans, for many of us, know about life lessons. We at times try to educate Democrats. Not so much about politics, but living life. Let this intelligent 31 year old woman add to your education. She overcame many obstacles you do not have to overcome. She will end up very wealthy. Do you know why?
This isn't so much a Republican/Democrat thing as a protagonist mentality/victim mentality thing. There are plenty of entrepreneurial Democrats with a protagonist mindset and plenty of Republicans who adopt a victim mentality and blame their lack of success on globalism and "the elite."
Indeed, much of of the rhetoric around building a wall is about protecting "jobs." In other words, there is a victim class that demands welfare in the form of protectionism, and they primarily vote Republican.
Sure, Robert - you go educate Warren Buffett or Bill Gates about why their liberal leaning mind-set has prevented them from being successful ... Waiting ...
Has the scheme of globalism, to move a nation's industrial base to extremely cheap labor, gutting a nation of value added jobs that helped to create our large middle class, and to sustain it, exhibiting a victim mentality, or is it just stating an inconvenient fact? What is happening to our middle class due to this scheme of globalism? Growing it? You are spinning ideas into absurdity. That anyone who sees what globalism is, is using it as blame for their lack of success. I am using it, being retired, to show that capitalism can create history's largest middle class, or it can destroy it. So there. That dog won't hunt. I don't think you really understand the nefarious nature of this scheme of globalism, how it robs americans of sovereignty, and I don't think you give a damn even when it does.
I'm used to the anti-capitalist arguments, I just don't buy them after researching the subject. Trade creates wealth.
You made a mistake. I am a retired capitalist, business owner, manufacturing. I love capitalism, but there are different forms of it, which you should know if you paid any attention to our own history of capitalism. One kind serves a group of powerful rich elites, the other kind serves them as well as average people who work in the capitalist system. Anytime you allow a group of powerful people to hollow out the very thing that made america rich, powerful, an empire and created history's largest middle class here, you just ****ed up and went totally off the rails, in utter destructive irresponsibility. Globalism as we have it now, which hollows out our nation, and gives us a low wage service sector economy is not in the best interests of this nation nor her 300 million plus people. No nation ever created what we created here by hollowing out its economy of value added job. No nation. Just common sense. Self evident common sense.
Gates and Buffett and not passing laws forcing you to do things as Democrats do. Apparently you accepted what the video I presented since you did not rebuke the woman, yet you targeted me. PS, Democrats are not liberal. What you said back to me shows that much.
Allow? Who is hollowing out what non hollowed out thing? Democrats have been furious at the achievers for my entire life. And that spans 80 years.
Ha ha. If you are trying to deny that we have not seen the hollowing out of our industrial base that supplied americans with most consumer goods, well, go and take that pill for loss of memory. ha ha If I understand you, you just entered into the realm of the absurd, to say such a thing. You live on earth right? The US? When a consumer good, as most say, made in china, well, that isn't the US. At least we still make most of our own paper. ha ha
Capitalism has been inherently globalist throughout its entire existence. Read Wealth of Nations. You are preaching populism, not capitalism. No, globalism doesn't not hollow out our nation . . . that's literally what Wealth of Nations set out to disprove. This is literally the philosophy (mercantilism) that capitalism arose to rebuke.
For at least the past 30 years or so at least populist Republicans have been picking up that same torch as well, especially now under Trump.
The public chases low cost items and of course those supplying items then also chase low costs. I owned a small machine shop. At the time (1967-71) a lot of interest was given to China in the media. I am a charter member of Money Magazine. Well, I once subscribed to it. I think it is a wonderful magazine. To carry on, I purchased, thanks to Money, a cassette recorder/player and paid for the course including the player an education on how to profit from dealing with China. Nixon was then the president so there was a lot of interest all over America in learning the Chinese way so we could deal with their country. I was a small seller to almost entirely American industry. I was on a treadmill of constantly supplying to my workers jobs. They did not have to keep seeing jobs, that was my job. I considered at the time hiring outside jobseekers who promised my shop work. My main problem with that was their profits had to be built into my prices to the customers, and customers are not stupid. They simply caused me to price low enough that no money was available to pay extra for outside sales help. My hourly shop rates did have limits. I did a small job for Ametek Corporation they specifically sought me to do and it entailed a lot of overtime for my workers. And I mean 7 days a week. So what did they do about prices? They felt I priced fairly so they just told me to supply the parts and never mentioned price. But once I invoiced them, one of the buyers did comment to me that his cost of my parts was to the point I could purchase a new company pick up truck. His way of expressing his unhappy state of mind was a surprise to me. First they had production lines down. I did work diligently to keep my price to them down. Still Ametek simply did not appreciate the cost to them. Would Ametek rush to China for cheaper parts? Not likely. Then to locate a good shop in China was much harder. China apparently put in effort to solve that part of their equation. Anyway, I do not blame the wealthy. They managed to be wealthy in many if not most cases due to stock prices. I mean they started a company and later sold some to the public in the form of stocks. So when the prices of stocks jumped up, both the founders but also the investors managed to grow wealth. How can one resent such an enterprising part of our own public? I may not have satisfied you or others as to my comments. But I never was GM sized nor China sized. All I know is I played a role with prices of goods that could be produced on the global market. I got a job making parts to be installed on Air Force rockets. I was too small to get the contract to make the entire system for the Rockets so i got a slice of the rocket. I suggested to the corporation a way to make the product lower cost. But they rejected my idea and persisted on the parts being made in perhaps the most costly fashion. Anyway, I finished my part of the project and they then took more bids on the same items. I lost to a computer driven machine owned by others in the machine shop business. They had on hand the much more expensive machines so they won the job away from me. That is how things work.
OK, you made a statement. Since you are torching others, where I try to offer first hand information, that I have personally experienced when I am able to, give instances of the political party doing what you claim? Factually I am not even clear why you said what you said. Trump you claim is furious at achievers? Do you mean the Chinese achievers? I am talking of American achievers that the Democrats show me they are furious at since they try to move at blazing speed to harm this nations achievers. An example of trying to help China and not our achievers is the tax system so loved by Democrats. Republicans have tried to help this nations achievers rather than help China.
The cheapest widget possible, when you have to deindustrialize you own nation and force your own people into low wage service sector work, is idiocy, dangerous idiocy. I stand by that, and it is not what our founders set up. They set up tarriffs to protect this nation, and her people from labor as you see in asia and mexico. They had good sense. They knew america needed to make here most of what we consume. And this is the paradigm that won us ww2 and created history's largest middle class. You don;t care, and I cannot change your mind. I like what created the nation we live in, the middle class, and living wages. And it was not slave labor, cheapest widget, globalism. Common sense. I will not live to see it, but this globalism, this service sector economy, will be the death of us, this nation, and what she once was. Our founders knew that, or they would have settled or the cheapest widgets possible, being made by slave labor overseas. You just do not understand this stuff very well. Brainwashed, IMO. By globalists.
Yes, Trump is furious with achievers like Bezos and others that he complains about having unfair achievement, including others who have benefited from global trade. See previous comment. . . . except Trump has instituted unconstitutional tax schemes to punish Americans for trading with China as well, attacking our own achievers.
I've never criticized capitalism on this forum, at least to my knowledge. I like capitalism. Republicans used to agree with me about that, but under Trump things have changed.
Never to the degree that a nation had its economy hollowed out of value added jobs. We would never have allowed that until Reagan and Bush, and then Clinton. If you had told FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK or LBJ they needed to sign a free trade agreement to offshore our industrial base, that we would no longer make most of our own consumer goods, they would have sent you to a mental hospital. For they had better sense, than to do such an insane move. Of course, the nation itself, its health and ability to win big wars was important to them. As well as the fact they understood that all jobs in the US involve making what we consume in goods and services instead of having others to do it. And if you remove most value added jobs, industry, you are indulging in insanity, if the american people are of any importance whatsoever. Which obviously, we are not. Only the elites have importance, and them maxing out profits, even it is destroys the middle class over time, leaving a small one in comparison.
Which we haven't, and the philosophy upon which this anxiety is based is exactly the philosophy capitalism arose to combat. Or you could read Adam Smith or any other capitalist thinker. We are producers of goods and services. Primarily services, but yes, goods as well. Trade has expanded our production. Your "if" is based on a fantasy. Globalism has added domestic jobs. Complete and utter nonsense. See above.
No town in this state and most other states still have their consumer good factories. They left for china or mexico. Go to walmart and note where most goods are made. They were once made here, even the pots and pans. Good grief. Since you will not accept the fact of this, why should I go on and discuss this? If you will not admit facts, then there is no place that I can go. You must not live in a place where this has happened and apparently you don't get out much and pay attention. Neither do you know why sanders and trump ran strong campaigns, with trump winning. It seems that their supporters are aware of something you must be blind to. Reality. So when did we become a service sector economy? ha ha And what were we prior to that, for most of our history? What caused us to move to a service sector economy? Is a service sector economy mostly high value added jobs? Is a value added job, manufacturing, better in wages, promoting a middle class more than a service sector, low value added economy? If you answer those questions accurately, it shows your blindness here. If you can think logically.
Comment by me about this part of an argument. Told FDR, Truman and JFK then LBJ? FDR set forth to destroy his industrial competition. Truman waged also a huge war that had global components to it. JFK came close to turning the USA into a nuclear wasteland. JBJ waged a major war that also involved many nations other than ours in his war. Funny heros you have. America has actually been led by the machine makers, the electronics barons and those interested in the precision lightning fast robot creators. We however are not new at this. One has to wonder what our ancestors said about Henry Ford who took out the wagon makers, the bulk of the saddle industry and cut down the need for rope and even wagon wheels and spokes of all things. Well early autos still used wooden spokes. I once owned a 1935 Dodge coupe and it had spokes. I sold the car to a steel producer. I bet the producers of wooden spokes were going stark raving mad in anger at the time. Quick tell me. What did FDR do to save the wooden wheel industry?
