Londonistan: 423 New Mosques; 500 Closed Churches

????? Since those words in their holy books command them to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks of the unbelievers" "until.... religion should only be for Allah", I wouldn't label their morals as "superior"

 

Hasn't everyone realized by now that cultures INTERPRET their respective holy books? Christians work on Sundays and do not get stoned nor do they have any issue joining the military. By the way, the "thou shall not kill" is actually "thou shall not murder". So killing in war or punishment is permitted. I am sure the Koran is the same as the Christian Bible.

How does the culture apply its holy book?

I find it interesting that Europe has slowly migrated away from their Christian faith. Which was praised by many secularists. Only to have the vacuum be replaced by another faith, (Islam).

This integration is a bumpy one as the new faith will need to acclimate to the existing culture.

It is apparent to me that organized religion is necessary componenet of society.

 

In war, when attacked, yes.
It also insists on charity work and helping those in need, Muslim or not.

 

Is Jizya charity, or is it simply helping these in need?

 

Is that the taxes imposed on Muslims by the Normans?
You seem to be a little 'dhim".

 

In other words, Muslims do unto others what others are doing unto them? Is sat what you're saying?

Or, is the other way around?

* Amazing avatar...

 

Problem is it is also "until.... religion should only be for Allah"

 

This post:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...losed-churches.501271/page-38#post-1067348836

It's obvious everything here is totally ripped out of context. For instance, lets take quote 1:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

1) it's not from the Quran
2) Well I know for a fact that Jihad does not have to mean religious fighting. Just pick up a dictionary.

That is what you get from ripping things out of context.

 

should... does not mean.. it must.

 

Thus my statement directly above what you are quoting-
"And here are the first 26 verses in the Bukhari Hadith"

 

You also rant that it is all about Jihad... but the translation of that word is something you keep leaving out.

 

????? I said

AND I included the definition [Holy war] given in the MUSLIMS translation into english

 

How about you pick up a freaking dictionary... and quoute and link here what that word means.
Because that translation is just fake. lol

 

Because the use of the word in the Bukhari Hadith better demonstrates the meaning of Jihad in Islam.

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 505:
I asked the Prophet "Which deed is the dearest to Allah?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents" I again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's cause."

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 86:
The Prophet said, "No good deeds done on other days are superior to those done on these (first ten days of Dhul Hijja)." Then some companions of the Prophet said, "Not even Jihad?" He replied, "Not even Jihad, except that of a man who does it by putting himself and his property in danger (for Allah's sake) and does not return with any of those things."

Volume 2, Book 24, Number 547:
Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) ordered (a person) to collect Zakat, and that person returned and told him that Ibn Jamil, Khalid bin Al-Walid, and Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib had refused to give Zakat." The Prophet said, "What made Ibn Jamll refuse to give Zakat though he was a poor man, and was made wealthy by Allah and His Apostle ? But you are unfair in asking Zakat from Khalid as he is keeping his armor for Allah's Cause (for Jihad).

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause."

Volume 3, Book 29, Number 84:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?" He replied, "The best and the most superior Jihad (for women) is Hajj which is accepted by Allah.

Volume 3, Book 31, Number 121:
...So, whoever was amongst the people who used to offer their prayers, will be called from the gate of the prayer; and whoever was amongst the people who used to participate in Jihad, will be called from the gate of Jihad;

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724:
Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles),

Volume 4, Book 51, Number 33:
When 'Umar got a piece of land in Khaibar, he came to the Prophet saying, "I have got a piece of land, better than which I have never got. So what do you advise me regarding it?" The Prophet said, "If you wish you can keep it as an endowment to be used for charitable purposes." So, 'Umar gave the land in charity (i.e. as an endowments on the condition that the land would neither be sold nor given as a present, nor bequeathed, (and its yield) would be used for the poor, the kinsmen, the emancipation of slaves, Jihad, and for guests and travelers; and its administrator could eat in a reasonable just manner, and he also could feed his friends without intending to be wealthy by its means."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 41:
I asked Allah's Apostle, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the best deed?" He replied, "To offer the prayers at their early stated fixed times." I asked, "What is next in goodness?" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I further asked, what is next in goodness?" He replied, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." I did not ask Allah's Apostle anymore and if I had asked him more, he would have told me more.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 42:
Allah's Apostle said, "There is no Hijra (i.e. migration) (from Mecca to Medina) after the Conquest (of Mecca), but Jihad and good intention remain; and if you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 43:
(That she said), "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed. Should we not fight in Allah's Cause?" He said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj-Mabrur (i.e. Hajj which is done according to the Prophet's tradition and is accepted by Allah)."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 56:
,,,Later on it happened that she went out in the company of her husband 'Ubada bin As-Samit who went for Jihad and it was the first time the Muslims undertook a naval expedition led by Mu awiya.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 79:
On the day of the Conquest (of Mecca) the Prophet said, "There is no emigration after the Conquest but Jihad and intentions. When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately." (See Hadith No. 42)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 81:
In the life-time of the Prophet, Abu Talha did not fast because of the Jihad, but after the Prophet died I never saw him without fasting except on 'Id-ul-Fitr and 'Id-ul-Aclha.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 85:
....He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse:
"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' (4.95)
Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 87:
Allah's Apostle went towards the Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and saw the Emigrants and the Ansar digging in a very cold morning as they did not have slaves to do that for them. When he noticed their fatigue and hunger he said, "O Allah! The real life is that of the Here-after, (so please) forgive the Ansar and the Emigrants." In its reply the Emigrants and the Ansar said, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 88:
The Emigrants and the Ansar started digging the trench around Medina carrying the earth on their backs and saying, "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will I carry on Jihad as long as we live."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 104:
The Prophet said, "Good will remain (as a permanent quality) in the foreheads of horses (for Jihad) till the Day of Resurrection, for they bring about either a reward (in the Hereafter) or booty (in this world."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 112:
The one for whom they are a source of reward, is he who keeps a horse for Allah's Cause (i.e. Jihad)

 

Sorry. I can not assume that opinion is true. Can you quote and source what Jihad actually means. Thank you.

 

I just did. The Bukhari Hadith. Believed by the Sunnis to be the most accurate Hadith.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/

 

I asked for a translation from a dictionary... and you did not.

I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shouldn't we participate in Holy battles and Jihad along with you?" He replied, "The best and the most superior Jihad (for women) is Hajj which is accepted by Allah.

So the most superior Jihad (religious fighting) is Hajj?
That makes no sense. Please provide me with a correct translation of the word Jihad.

 

Nope, for women the Hajj fulfills their duty. For men of fighting age it is fighting for Allah.

 

And if it will make you happy-

ji·had
jəˈhäd/
noun
Islam
noun: jihad; plural noun: jihads; noun: jehad; plural noun: jehads; noun: lesser jihad; plural noun: lesser jihads; noun: lesser jehad; plural noun: lesser jehads

1. a struggle or fight against the enemies of Islam.
   "he declared a jihad against the infidels"

 

I see you found this on: http://paulrobindenton.blogspot.nl/2015/11/jihad-what-is-it.html
A blog spot? That's not a dictionary buddy.

It actually goes on:
WHAT JIHAD IS
The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving. The arabic word for war is: "al-harb". In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.

Well well...

 

Actually, put "jihad" into google and its the definition that is displayed at the top of the page above all the search results.

 

Oh I do think the most common dictionaries will translate jihad as I stated in post #820.
That your google will but things up to what you like to find, is your problem.

 

I really don't see any problem with London, the whole UK, and the rest of the world becoming Islamic because of the obvious benefits in doing so.
We can start with something simple, AIDS would never have spread as evidenced by the disease being very uncommon in Muslim countries.
The principles of Islam simply don't allow shagging around as we see in much of Africa and the US where whores and tarts are very common.

 

???? I went straight to the source, the Bukhari Hadith, to show the meaning of Jihad through 26 verses that use the word Jihad. I wouldn't use a western dictionary definition of Jihad but you insisted I provide it.

 

It is not "the principles", it's the intolerance you're speaking of. There'd be other benefits, too - prisons population will be greatly reduced as Islamic brand of justice is swift, and requires but scimitar and a willing executioner. On the down side, we all gonna miss our schnitzels!