Losses Of Ukrainian Forces

So if the "master plan" is to ethnically cleanse the land of... Whoever exactly it is that you are suggesting they are trying to cleanse, their own people I guess? Then why don't they just go ahead and actually scorch earth the hell out of the place and kill them all? If they wanted to the could bomb both those cities into dust in an hour, yet they don't. Please explain why?

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And why do you refuse to acknowledge my posts??????

 

It's okay to federalize,
but in Ukraine it's quite different, it's quite difficult and somehow illegal to put in place a Russian federation within their soil.

 

You need to study the symbol of Down syndrome. You do not have to study statistics. What symbol, such statistics. And you'd better start preparing for the winter, rather than sit on the internet. For example, you need to collect the manure that would heat their home. Because a poor Ukraine does not want to pay for Russian gas and coal is under rebel control.
Also, I watched data on export food of the Ukraine. Ukraine had much smaller harvest than in past years, and exported much more than in past years. Conclusion - manure Ukrainians will be required not only to heat homes.
Also, you write that the Russian knocked Boeing. You national symbol influence on your? No one has announced the results of the research, and you already "know." Funny. Also, I've heard the opposite version of the people involved in the research of the crash. http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961?d=1

 

What the ever loving (*)(*)(*)(*) did I just read?

 

Are you... Are you trying to troll right now??? Is that your attempt at, I'm guessing an insult?

 

If they kill everyone in an hour it would be too noticeable and would revolt and condemnation etc. for many people in the West in method of the Ukrainian government use ...


A Summary of the Situation in the Embattled Novorossiya
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Transcript: A Summary of the Situation in the Embattled Novorossiya

Translated from Russian by Alan and Alya Bailey / Edited by Olga L. and Gleb Bazov

Alexey Mozgovoy: The peaceful population is being eliminated using missiles. These actions make the civilian population leave their homes. So, generally speaking, Kiev does not need the population; it is irrelevant in the area where they plan to conduct fracking.

There’s already a drilling rig in Slavyansk and it’s starting its work. The equipment for building the rigs has already been delivered to a little settlement near Slavyansk. So what use is there for the population? It’s not needed there. The complete elimination of the population is being covered up by the so-called ATO.

All types of weapons that the other side has in its arsenal are being used without any remorse. The weapons have to be checked – and they are being checked. Some missile launchers SAU, American ones, have been brought from Poland and they are being used in full. There are lots of mercenaries from different armies who have worked in other countries – in Syria, Libya, Lebanon. They are there, on the other side now and they are having fun.

What’s more: some “hot spot tourists’ have been allowed to shoot from a tank or use other type of artillery. So people come, pay money and they can shoot – it’s like a safari. What they shoot at – only God knows. So somebody makes money on these tourists shooting, destroying towns, killing peaceful people.

The presence of covert agents among the rebels is a fact because we often have to deal with betrayal. Things often happen, which are not supposed to happen. This is obviously the result of certain work of agents. They brainwash our guys. Thankfully we have the right kind of people who stand up against it. From time to time we find those agents who work in favour of Kiev. And we punish them.

As for the September end of the ATO, I believe they are mistaken like they are mistaken about many things. For instance they claim to have «disposed of» our squadron several times but in fact it has grown into a brigade now. That’s some «disposal»! So I am pretty sure they are mistaken about September. They will not celebrate their victory in September.

In the nearest months the things are going to be the same as they are now. But we are learning to fight too, we change our tactics. I think it is all going to last more than a month. Firstly we will not let them kill us so fast, secondly we will fulfill some other plans; we will start attacking and not just defending ourselves.

I can neither compel nor prohibit people from becoming volunteers and fighting with us. It has to be voluntary. But if a person wishes to join our ranks, he can do so at any time. If he does not want it – it’s his choice.

If a person wishes to help us in any other way – not necessarily with money, say to send us some food – it’s his choice. I can ask for help and I have to do it to support the Militia and also the peaceful population which shouldn’t suffer from being caught between the two armies. They should live like they lived before with minimal changes.

http://slavyangrad.org/

 

This is ridiculous. What an insult? Do you think an insult to the approval of the fact that Ukraine is bankrupt? Pay their debts. Do you think an insult to - the Ukrainians in the winter there will be nothing to heat their homes and have nothing to eat? But it's a fact!
Ukraine - pauper, not a country, a place on the map. With silly, wild, envious and spiteful population. With a national symbol of Down syndrome. Lazy and dishonest. Ukrainians - the shame of humanity. And it's not an insult - it's a fact.

 

Oh my god. Whatever kid. Lol. At least the other propagandist on here can formulate a proper sentence and speak with some form of intelligence. Your lack of ability to speak English aside your rants sound like the scribblings of a mentally handicapped person.

 

Funny. You are talking about the mentally retarded? But this is nonsense. Look at your symbol. Among other things about Malaysian articles about the Boeing, you prefer to remain silent. That is correct. It is not necessary to make people laugh. About gas and food you as well prefer to be silent?
I looked at the map of gas production in Ukraine and saw an interesting fact. It turns Ukraine produces little of its gas. Half of the production falls to the south of the Kharkov region. When the rebels take over this region, Ukraine will be without half of its gas. Coal is also controlled by the rebels. In other words, cold and hunger in the Ukraine are inevitable. Therefore inevitably be a political coup. Given the natural stupidity of Ukrainians are likely to rule in the Ukraine will be the gangs. In the style of Mad Max. Want to see the future - look at Libya.

 

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/08/novorossiya-military-briefing-situation.html?m=1

Briefly about the situation in Donbass as at the beginning of August 16, 2014

In the last two days, just as was announced earlier, the Militia was finally able to enter into battle the reserves that were freed up following the rout of the Southern Cauldron, as well as some of the trophies that were obtained there. This immediately improved the situation at the front –the breakthrough to Krasniy Luch was localized and isolated, the Junta grouping in the area of Snezhnoye and Miusinsk was defeated, and the breakthrough to Marinovka was effected, leading to the formation of a new mini-cauldron, which have now become commonplace. At the same time, the Junta’s offensive against Enakievo and Gorlovka was stopped in its tracks, and fighting began on the outskirts of Debaltsevo. Overall, Zakharchenko’s counteroffensive appears to be more effective than the counteroffensive previously announced by Bolotov. Truth be told, however, it still manifests more as local counterstrikes that stabilize the front lines than a full-fledge counterattack.

The consequences are undeniable - there is clear evidence of substantial losses incurred by the Junta in manpower and military hardware, new mini-cauldrons (to the east of Marinovka and near Miusinsk), the retention of control over the key highway from the LPR to Donetsk, the preservation of communications with Gorlovka, and the success in repulsing the attacks on Ilovaisk. Overall, over the last several days, the Junta’s offensive clearly has begun to run out of steam, which is not surprising, given the serious losses sustained by the Ukrainian army. The Militia’s arriving reserves have facilitated obvious strikes aimed at wedging into the Junta’s forces.

Nevertheless, to the north of Donetsk, the Junta retains sufficient troops to maintain the initiative. Shielding itself from the Alchevsk grouping of the DPR Army with barrier groups, the Junta continues to concentrate forces in the area of Debaltsevo, with the intention of retaining this key centre and developing its attempt to flank Donetsk from the north. At the time, it is certain that the Ukrainian army will make an attempt to push through Uglegorsk, aiming thereby to encircle Gorlovka. This is the most obvious next step.

The Junta’s problem is in the fact that practically all the reserves have already been entered into battle. Moreover, instead of a concentrated strike on Donetsk, these reserves ended up being spread across multiple sections of the front – whether for the purpose of tactical strikes or to save the encircled brigades. High losses and the lack of reserves will gradually force the Junta into taking an operational pause, whereas political considerations will continue to compel it to pursue the operation at all costs.

Overall, over the past two days, the situation on the territory of the DPR has improved. However, it should be understood that, despite all the losses, the Junta continues to retain the initiative in certain areas and still maintains an overall superiority in manpower and military hardware. Accordingly, wearing rose-coloured glasses is not recommended. The struggle here will be difficult and bloody.

On the territory of the LPR, using the troops of the group that was located at the Lugansk airport, the enemy stretched a long and narrow intestine from the airfield to Novosvetlovka. At the same time, in an effort to support this line, it attempted to take control of Khryashevatoye. It appears that the motivation for this strange operation conducted using clearly insufficient forces was to try to impede the passage of the Russian humanitarian convoy. Equally predictably, the Junta forces that burst into Novosvetlovka was already in the afternoon of August 15, 2014 surrounded on three sides and sustained serious losses in attempts to retain Novosvetlovka.

From the operational standpoint this was a manifest gamble, considering that the southern flank of the enemy grouping advancing on Khryashevatoye and Novosvetlovka was left almost entirely unprotected. As the breakout stretched to the east, an intestine squeezed on three sides was formed, which simply cries out for being severed and completely encircled.

Moreover, in the evening of August 15, 2014, the Junta forces entered into battles in the suburbs of Lugansk, and the fighting continued until nightfall. If the original plan consisted of breaking through to the Lugansk-Krasnodon highway and holding it as long as possible, while other troops moved in to assault Lugansk, then, considering the nature of urban warfare, and provided the LPR Army acts competently, then the defeat at Novosvetlovka will come about a lot sooner than any appreciable advance into Lugansk. Essentially, here we have to wait for the outcome of the battles.

Overall, the situation remains difficult; however, in the past couple of days it has improved somewhat for the Militia.

Commentary from John Kochang

Debaltsevo and Gorlovka I still think are the key. If the SDF [Note: Novorossiya Self-Defence Forces] can utilize the ‘1200’ troops trained in Russia, who it is claimed joined the ranks the other day, along with all the trophies from the Southern Cauldron, this could be the foundation for a brigade that would go on the offensive, using the 1200 men as NCOs for the Militia and a Spearhead Battalion made up of the most combat experienced men.

It would still only be on a small scale as offensive operations require a cohesive C&C and experienced staff. If they could push Ukrainian army back out of Debaltsevo, the Ukrainian forces will have to pull troops from around Donetsk, as they seem to have no reserves, which is evidenced by the 3rd mobilization call up and training.

The shock and panic I believe this would create will spread through the demoralized Ukrainian troops. There is also talk now of Right Sector [Note: Praviy Sector] issuing a 48 hour warning to the Kiev Junta [Note: Confirmed], that they will stop fighting and march on Kiev if their demands are not met! I hope Poreshenko fails to deliver, as the SDF could do with all the good luck!

Novorossiya Military Briefing - Situation by August 17, 2014

 

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/745716

DNEPROPETROVSK, August 19. /ITAR-TASS/. Mothers of Ukrainian servicemen on Tuesday accused Kiev of concealing the real casualty figures in the continuing fighting the southeast of the country, saying they planned a protest action in all towns on September 1. "They tell us three to five our troops are killed every day but it's a lie," co-chairwoman of Mothers of Ukrainian Soldiers rights organization Oksana Stetsenko said, insisting that the the scope of losses in the country's war-torn Luhansk and Donetsk regions was grossly underestimated.

She claimed that the casualty figures only included servicemen and that the losses among police, borderguards, National Guards troops and volunteers were deliberately withheld, per secret orders by Andriy Parubiy, former chief of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council.

"Thousands of mothers from all over Ukraine are urging us to find their sons, brothers or husbands. Many have not heard from them since June and July," she said. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian military said it could not answer their inquiries until completion of the operation.

Stetsenko claimed that the losses in Sloviansk re-taken by the Ukrainian troops ran into hundreds. "Town streets were strewn with bodies of servicemen and volunteers, and when the separatists withdraw, the bodies were buried in a mass grave," she said adding that the army alleged the victims "were local residents killed by the separatists.

In intense heat, the bodies began to rapidly decompose, and there is no way of telling when the identification procedure might be launched.

 

Those corpses are not as precious as corpses of passengers from the downed airplane. Who cares about them?

 

This is a bold face lie.

 

No one needs to lie. This is the video clip made by the Ukrainian soldiers. They confirmed massive casualties on their own side. Pay attention to the part when they say that Ukrainian authorities acknowledged the death of 3 soldiers while in the reality 30 soldiers died. Ukrainians soldiers said it themselves. It's worth watching.

The real State of the Ukrainian Army in the ATO - ENG SUBS


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http://youtu.be/IX6e3wr34BM

 

Silver here is another short video that also backs up exactly what you are saying. The Junta, Nazi "Porkoshenko" military says they are being wiped out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX6e3wr34BM&feature=player_embedded

 

You posted the same video. Congrats on your intelligence.

 

The Ukrainians were shooting across the border and even killed one person, so Russia did say it would respond in kind. I assume the Russians shooting across the border at the Ukrainian army is their response.

Anyway there is no way the Ukrainians can fight the Russians of the Donbas militia since one has motivation and the other does not. Many Ukrainians said they don't even know what they are fighting for. It's not easy for the people of Donbass to forget the atrocities committed in Odessa, Mariupol, Slaviansk, and now in Lugansk and Donetsk by the government in Kiev. Besides they have brilliant strategists such as Strelkov, and no doubt are getting logistical support from Russia. The one thing they don't have is a large amount of men, so they are spread out and are having a hard time holding on to an area.

 

Thanks Here is the one I wanted to post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o77lO7KmftI
Get over it.

 

Try to keep up with what is going on please. You're taking up bandwidth.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/eviden...-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814

 

Are you retarded? Look at the people in the video. It's the same godddamn video you moron. Just a smaller clip of it. And look at my above comment to see my reaction to that video. You'd have to be a completely brainddead dumbass to not realize those are Russian terrorist and that this is a fake.

 

"new" not "knew" You seem to like the word "retard" You must hear it a lot.
If you cant figure out what the Kiev junta shooting down a commercial airliner and killing 298 innocent people has to do with what is going on there then I suggest you start with a Connect the Dots book with no more than 10 numbers and work your way up.