Majority of Young Adults Live w/ Parents as Economy Fails Them

Now we are told that all the talk about how much more money people with college degrees will earn was all a lie. Instead, a person with a college degree will NEVER earn enough even to pay off a loan about the same as an ungraded 4X4 pickup truck. For this, the Democratic Party wants to make it so universities can charge anything they want to for absolutely worthless college degrees all paid for by the government.

Of course, the government won't pay that, working people will as their PUNISHMENT for not getting a college degree. According to the Democratic Party, a working single parent without a college degree should be required to pay for the college educations of rich white kids from the gated suburban communities.

The Democratic Party's solution to millions of people coming out of universities with worthless college degrees is to increase this to tens of millions of people coming out of universities with worthless college degrees - all paid for by working people without college degrees - low income blue collar workers paying the way for the rich as the Democratic Party became so furiously anti-blue collar workers.

This is all part of BILLIONAIRES FOR BIDEN. Not only will the rich pay no taxes (as he promised them), he'll even make low income workers pay for their kids college degrees too. He'd order poor people to shine rich people's shoes and bow down to them as they walked by if he and the Democratic Party could get away with it.

 

It's nowhere near that simple, but here's your participation trophy.

 

I live in an area where the majority have degrees in something useless. It's an 'arty' area, fully of posturing middle-class people who think it's still 1995. That Bachelor of Arts worked for them last century, but it sure as heck isn't working for their kids in 2020. It's shocking how negligent these parents are, actually. They're a whole generation out of touch.

For a very specific example, a friend advised recently that her daughter is starting a degree in Ancient Languages next year. This young woman is going to spend $50k on something that will never earn her a dime, will have zero work experience, and won't even have the potential for a basic 'teenager' job because she'll be too old for the junior pay rates. And this is a family who really can't afford to keep housing their three young adult kids (nor do they have the space, now that the kids aren't little anymore). The upshot is that this poor kid will end up at age 22 with nowhere to live, and no means of supporting herself. All because her idiot parents thinks 'ancient languages' sounds fancy and intellectual, and because they sneer at the idea of encouraging kids to consider how they'll feed themselves - regarding that as very dull and oppressive. Incidentally, that last tells you exactly how they view themselves, and how they view 'poverty'. They literally despise the behaviours associated with poverty and need - which means they despise the poor.

 

It's absolutely that simple. If people stopped buying the crap that the mega corps are selling, the mega corps would stop selling it.

It ALL comes back to you. And to me. Stop pretending it's someone else's fault, and be the change you want.

 

I guess southern people are just more practical? I can imagine a high number of worthless degrees Berkeley Ca. Or at Reeds college in Oregon.. But with specialization today and the loss of value added manufacturing jobs to communist labor, .high tech work has to replace those jobs..A

 

I don't know, as I'm not American. But it's certainly true in my country that the worthless degrees are far more common in the white middle-class demographic, than in the migrant and working class demographics.

 

No doubt that is true . Southerners may be more practical and that would explain my observations.

My oldest daughter got her first degree in some social science to my objection . That degree was useless if earning a living wage was of value. So I suggested she get a degree in nursing . My first wife was an RN and jobs were there for RNs. So she went back to college and got that useful degree. Had a job even before she graduated from nursing school. Still works for the same hospital. Once my youngest grandson graduates from high school she plans on being a travel nurse. Like her sister in law and brother in law. 6 figure income for 6 months a year . In the south!

My youngest daughter was not college material. I worried how she would turn out without an education . But her creativity and good business sense was turned into a big online business and within 4 years she paid off a new home in a gated area in oxford Mississippi, home of univ. of Ms. She designs and sells cloth for baby clothing. And services a large chain of cloth suppliers. Worth millions. I am still shocked! And proud of both my daughters.. While I helped in the two degrees of my oldest , my youngest did it all by herself! Yes, I am bragging ! I guess me creating and owning my own small manufacturering biz influenced her. A pleasant surprise. She wasn't motivated growing up and watched cartoons instead of doing homework. Said she didn't have study skills! Lol

 

You did a good job. Not everyone is going to benefit from university education. I would say the majority don't, actually. Probably only about 10% of us have the kind of drive and tolerance of study needed to complete a degree, so it's a significant problem if 30% or more of young people are enrolling.

 

Long ago on my first day at Ms. State Univ..a prof.asked our class how many of us believed every person should have a univ. education? We all raised our hands! He then explained supply and demand. And too many degrees is too much supply . Just common sense really..


I remember when schools were teaching all kids need univ. education! As I watched trade schools close down.. We once had many trade schools here. Teaching blue collar skills that earned middle class wages..Then they started drying up.. Some called them McJobs given you didn't wear suits to work! And had dirt under the finger nails. Our youth demanded to start at the top instead of earning promotion! Lol. Alice in wonderland thinking..

Yet most of these trade schools were teaching skills needed in modern manufacturing by new and existing factories. Then globalism started closing trade schools since those jobs were offshore to sweat shop working poor labor.. To max out wealth for elites.

Then if working people complained their jobs were taken away because commies would work for cents, they were told to become professionals and be coders. Or doctors and engineers..Forgetting that only a few people could learn such high skills!

 

True, but we can't really blame the universities .. they're just trying to earn their keep after all. The responsibility for unsuitable kids enrolling in college, and subsequently taking useless courses, is on the parents. Parents who don't stop and think about their kids' personality, strengths, weaknesses, etc. This stuff takes years of consideration and forethought. It should be started when the kid hits high school, and constantly re evaluated throughout - both the child, and the economic/careers climate.

 

Some of us don't live in a fantasy world.

This isn't rocket science, what we used to do, what other OECD countries still do, is what we simply have to do.

 

Your inability to present a sound response says all that need be said.

 

I can't blame.parents if their kids won't.listen. Most are stubborn , like mules. we

I recall Clinton selling people on globalization and shipping living wage blue collar work to cents on the dollar labor. We were told we didn't need manuf! Its a new world and the information age would make these blue collar workers better off. Swap in your work clothes for suits and ties! Lobsters in every pot!

The top dogs laughed all the way to their offshore banks.

As the billionaire, Perot tried to tell working people what globalization does to working folks. It guts them.

 

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What's an OECD country?

Is that a country where the ruling elite move jobs off shore so they can exploit the poor by paying so little and pollute at will? As America turns into a low wage servant economy? With govt having to subsidize wages? Or the Walmart workers can't feed their kids?

Of course the remedy is everyone needs high IQ professions that require years of college. So stop griping and take out a loan most will die still owing and HB 1 Visa people will get those high tech jobs! They work cheaper, those Indians from India.

See the goal is simple. Generate max profit for the upper class by keeping wages for labor as low as possible without revolt and revolution. The tricks include illegal immigration, the hb1 scheme for high tech jobs, and of course moving value added living wage reasmanuf. jobs to communist labor. Vietnam being the new cheap labor pool.

We give the reason as irrevocable , given it is an economic term, that some believe is.a natural law one see's in hard science. Like the law of gravity.

The economic law is called comparative advantage! But unlike gravity there is choice. You can choose not to gut your economy no matter what benign term is deployed . Like comparative advantage.

We need to coin another term for comparitve advantage. Something that reflects actuality. Oh, how about intercourse with a stiff wire brush?

What our politicians have wrought on the American people is unforgivable! It is the product of greed and sociopathy.

It is far from benign! And its the opposite of what our capitalism once was ! A system that optimally benefits our society. If you structure capitalism to only benefit the top 1 percent, you got big problems. Rioters start murdering cops! Yes IMO the growing violence and hatred is related to an economy that impoverish our people. That offers no security. And much less hope than we once enjoyed.

Yes you can still become middle class but mostly lower middle instead of middle, middle or upper middle. Much harder today to be socially and economically mobile... Living wage jobs for average IQ people are few and far between..

My brother was not college material. He never made many passing grades. So like many people are doing today and have always done, he learn a skill, welding. He has been a welder his working life. As was our dad.

There are more Americans like my brother than Americans with high tech aptitude and higher IQ.And it has always been like this to some degree.

What is vastly different today are job opportunities that pay enough to raise a family on...And that lack is directly related to gutting our country of manufacturing jobs and manufacturing industries serving manufactures. Supply chains.

 

Well, yes you can actually. A child who resists parental advice just because it's parental, hasn't had the right influences. IOW, parents.

 

It's a fantasy world to pretend it has nothing to do changing human behaviour. Really very fantastical.

 

You have kids? Just double checking. Lol

IMO more than influence is involved! I have seen it! Genetics over powering positive influence. Its nature and nurture. But one can overwhelm the other.

There is one in my living room right now! My step daughter . I didn't raise her though. Lol

 

Yes, several. And I know via years of professional experience that 'listening' to parents is a function of how they're raised.

Kids who automatically ignore anything coming from parents, have been let down or failed in some way. They don't believe in the idea of the support being professed (and offering advice is offering support), because it's not been real prior to that moment. On that background, it will be regarded only as admonishment, and offered only as a device for parental comfort. Kids are not stupid.

 

Sounds like what some one wrote in a child psych book.

And someone who completely discounts genetics.

So we disagree.

Some kids don't listen to parents until they mature. My dad was so stupid until I was 25. By the time I had my first kid the man had turned into a genius!

 

Genetics have nothing to do with it, sorry. It's a nice 'out' for parents to think that though, so I understand the desire for it to be true.

No child psych here. That stuff is BS. Any 'wisdom' I have in regards to parenting is derived from centuries old tried and tested methods .. not the agenda-driven mental gymnastics of childless boffins.

Of course kids are going to scoff or roll their eyes when Mom or Dad says 'make sure you get a good night's sleep' or whatever, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the big stuff .. kids actually taking on and considering what's been advised 'finish school/get a useful degree/buy property/save money" etc, rather than dismissing it as parents being bossy.

 

I did laugh at this, meantime.

It's not like that in all families, not by a long shot. I know plenty of teens and young adults who have huge respect and admiration for their parents. It's very common in a lot of cultures, but uncommon in Western culture.

 

People respond to their environment. Right now, that sucks. Ain't rocket science..

 

"Generally, OECD members are high-income economies with a very high Human Development Index (HDI) and are regarded as developed countries. As of 2017, the OECD member countries collectively comprised 62.2% of global nominal GDP (US$49.6 trillion)[3] and 42.8% of global GDP (Int$54.2 trillion) at purchasing power parity.[4] The OECD is an official United Nations observer.[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD

 

Yes, and the Welfare State created an environment which taught people they don't have to strive to survive.

The difference in attitudes and fiscal security you see today is the difference between those who bought that lie because it was easy and comfortable (not bothering to look at the bigger picture), and those who ignored that very suspect message.

There is no such thing as a free lunch, and those offering you one should be regarded with the deepest suspicion. They cannot possibly mean you well. The genuinely concerned would teach you how to make your own lunch, then perpetuate a system which keeps that ability strong. They would not want to disempower you by disabling you.

 

Recent work in economics has not been kind to the Free Rider problem.

You also might wake up and notice the countries with robust social programs do quite nicely.