Majority rights

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  1. Green Man

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    Oh, you mean like the novel mRNA gene therapy. But it's all safe because uncle sugar endorses it.

    ...Nope, it won't be a big change.
     
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    Do you suppose we let the price of fuel follow supply and demand? Because I suppose when the stratigic oil reserves are opened up via executive order, it is third party interference in the market- And without direct legislative oversight. Thanks King Georg.... I mean Joe.
     
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    Thanks for dodging the meat of my comment, that tells me you have nothing but trolly bs along with your friend Polydectes. Vacuous unthoughtout nonsense.
     
  4. Green Man

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    I'm sorry you feel that way.

    Moving from a government/big pharm complex to a free market might be a real smooth transition. Have you seen all the medicines getting taken off the market? There's no reason to think there would be more defective medicines with less collusion between government and the pharmaceutical conglomerates. How could there be?
     
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    The day may be coming where we face a total barter market. Money may become worthless as the only things of value will be things you can eat, drink, shoot or have sex with. Gold and silver have little nutritive value.
     
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    The dollar is dying. Once the Saudis start trading oil in currency other than dollars it's probably going to cost a lot of dollars to get a little oil. Them $2,000 welfare checks were fresh currency in an already bloated system. I got a feeling the powers that be will try a one world digital currency.

    If that happens, yes we will face a barter market.

    On the positive side- you know how back in the day if guy wanted to trade their clay pot for some meat, they first had to find a guy that was not on,y willing to part with meat, but willing to trade for a clay pot?

    But now we got computers. Why in heck don't everyone just plug their product and their want or needs into a database, and let the computer report barter "matches"?

    It could work, I think. Maybe.
     
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    Lots of places to do that on the net now, althogh its pretty much "my sweater for your shoes" now. When folks get hungrier and colder it'll be my can of Beeferoni for your shotgun shell.
     
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    Think about the potential.

    Say case of beer has beer to trade and needs box of shells

    Then box of shells has shells and needs rope

    But- rope has rope to trade and needs beer

    The two party trades could be arranged online. Beer ships beer to rope, rope ships to box of shells, and box of shells ships to beer.

    Now get 1,000 people with 1,000 products to trade and see what might match up, then all you gotta do is negotiate a fair exchange across 1,000 different transactions....

    Maybe not. But it might work. It would certainly be an improvement over finding a guy that wants to trade what they got to get what you have.
     
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    When the happens the internet will be a memory and the fastest shipping will be by bicycle. Things will be very simple and done face-to-face to ensure all promises are kept.
     
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    Well we did not have wait long for that...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...iversal-monetary-unit-transform-world-economy

    If this new currency is accepted by consumers then the government banks can collect data on all transactions. So much for the "right to privacy". The right to sound money was extinguished long ago.
     
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    That happened for a very short period and for a reason that all America, ESPECIALLY Republicans were seriously concerned about.

    Yes, you should thank Biden.
     
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    Yeah I know.

    Biden was very concerned about fuel prices right before midterms.

    How selfless of him to arbitrarily order fuel payed for by someone else to become available at the pumps.
     
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    You reject my example?

    Do you require another example of price fixing in the USA?

    Alright.

    Minimum wage laws.
     
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    No. The entire USA was concerned about fuel prices.

    Fuel price going up was a major factor in inflation.

    And, inflation was the only issue the GOP was even considering talking about.

    There were only two ways allowed the president to work on lowering inflation - addressing fuel price (which requires increasing supply) and interest rates.

    The Biden administration did BOTH.

    Then, we got the GOP whining about THAT - for no other reason than partisan political BS.
     
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    Interest is just the price of money. I thought you said the U.S. did not operate this way.
     
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    Minimum wage has much greater effect on inflation than rising fuel prices ever had or ever will. And the interest rate is controlled too?

    Interest is the price of money.
     
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    There are profoundly solid reasons for having a floor for wages. Plus, it is not a price control in any other way.

    When labor gets below a living wage, it means we have to raise taxes to keep people alive.

    Besides raising taxes, THAT is basically a price support for businesses - having the government pay the difference between what they offer and what it costs to LIVE.

    Calling it "price fixing" when we recognize that capitalism does not give a CRAP whether Americans die is your version of sociopathy.

    Another case where capitalism doesn't give a crap about American lives is our for profit healthcare system. The result is that we institute numerous support methods to try to save the lives of Americans.

    Today through the sun belt, we have an increasing number of babies born with syphilis - a disease that is addressed by a quick and cheap injection for the mother. But, that doesn't happen, because of capitalism.

    Capitalism is HUGELY important and efficient, but one can NOT pretend that it is a complete solution. It absolutely is not.

    So, we use it whenever possible - which is a vast majority of the time.

    After that, we have to do what's necessary for our American society - cases where there isn't enough profit for capitalism to be interested.
     
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    Are you suggesting that we should have no regulation in banking and money supply?
     
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    Even if we used lawful money we would probably still need to control the supply. We would have period of saving ending when the next best thing since sliced bread comes along, followed by another period of saving. A natural system would ebb and flood like the tide, not some parabolic race to the top that ultimately ends in the total debasement of the currency itself. So yeah, deregulate

    Fixed wages are not capitalism. And minimum wage sure as hell is price control, I can't believe you are serious. The rising cost of healthcare is due to regulation as well. And as some regulation in health care might be necessary, we should limit that to licensing physicians.

    "Raise taxes to keep people alive"

    Okay, go to MacDonalds the day after a minimum wage increase and you will see that the price of a hamburger goes up also - in direct proportion to that increase in minimum wage. Most people seem to think employers pay for the minimum wage but that's stupid, the cost of any government regulation is simply passed on from the producer to the consumer. Just like any cost of production.

    Furthermore, how's a school kid supposed to be worth the same as an experienced adult? They ain't. So why on earth would I hire a kid? I wouldn't, because they probably wouldn't be able to carry their weight much less increase my profits. It's simply not worth the risk and millions of kids can't even get a foot in the door because of it.
     
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    Yes, there would be an ebb and flow - major inflationary cycles plus major deflationary cycles, for one effect. This is horrible for business and for the population in general. And, that is not the only problem of failing to have controls on banking, interest, etc. The crash of 2008 was a result of not having adequate controls. That was significant harm to America, plus citizens across the nation lost life savings and were left destitute.

    We have a minimum wage that is based on the cost of living. And, capitalism has NO answer for wages below living wage.

    The idea that prices track minimum wages is just plain false. Minimum wage earners simply don't have that kind of economic power.

    We have laws against child labor, too. Those laws came from the experiences we had with child labor.
     
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    Maybe you didn't hear me right. I'll try again.

    Say you got a burger flipper makes $10/hr. The price of a hamburger is $10.

    You are making $35,000 a year.

    The minimum wage goes from $10/hr to $15/hr.

    Now, the burger flipper makes $15/hr. The price of a hamburger is $15.

    You still make $35,000 per a year, and the burger flipper can't afford buy any more hamburgers than he could before the increase.

    So that's who pays for the minimum wage. The middle and lower classes.
     
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    Like you said, the government controls interest rates.

    Interest is the price of money. So the government is fixing prices.

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    The problem is the abandonment of individual rights. A trans woman (and anyone else) should only have the right to use the bathroom she owns. The govt shouldn't be able to come to a business and tell them which bathroom the trans woman can use. It shouldn't have anything to do with a group, it should be a property rights issue, up to the individual that owns the property. In the same way, the trans woman should have the right to choose which bathroom others use on her property.

    Same with the (I assume you mean-) cake baking. It shouldn't matter whether its a minority or the majority, the individual should have the right to choose with whom they do business.

    Nobody cares about the rights of the majority because we used the majority as a basis to coerce group participation in the past, and that set the precedent for us to use the minority to coerce group participation in the present. Both are being used to undermine the right of the individual to choose.
     
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    Here's were we need a civics lesson explaining rights are negative in nature.

    For those that don't know that means we have the freedom from things not the right to things. You have the freedom from being harassed by the government to travel. You don't have the right to travel that would require government provide transport.

    Same with healthcare and fire arms.
     
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    What are you talking about? The oil Biden sold from our Strategic Oil Reserves went to China... not us.
     
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