Making a fool of himself saying testing more creates more

...wow, but OK.

Infectious Diseases that are known and for which we have vaccines, proven treatments, and decades of data are manageable and relatively predictable. Some people will still die or get severely injured by those diseases despite the existence of vaccines and proven treatments, but we can anticipate and plan for those eventualities because we have decades worth of data to guide our hand. Locking down or engaging in pandemic control measures over infectious diseases that are not spreading uncontrollably and thus are, by definition, NOT pandemics will not and should not become the mandatory response.

 

you can still say if you think the Trump shutdown and reopen guidelines were wrong?

don't have to vote for him to answer that question....

 

the reality is, almost everyone will catch this virus, if one can avoid catching it until after the vaccine, good on them, but most will catch it before then

the goal is to not overload the medical system... not prevent the spread all together

any State that had almost zero cases during the shutdown, either already had mass spreed late last year or is just as bad off today as before the shutdown and the shutdown did them no good

 

And once again you prove my point that liberals think that way which in their minds gives them the right to control our lives “ for our own good”.
Conservatives believe people by and large are intelligent enough to make their own decisions on how to live their lives and government should not interfere with that basic human right. This is one of the defining differences between liberals and conservatives.

 

Because I'm no fan of Trump I have not paid attention in detail to the guidelines you refer to. I am aware in general that they exist, but that's about it. I wore a mask in the grocery store for a few months, but not because the government suggested it.

I think the shutdown was wrong and ineffective. It's main purpose was to inflict damage on the country. I agree much with the Swedish model.

 

Agreed but unfortunately democrat governors are using increased numbers alone to keep their state shut down and doing so for political reasons

 

YEP. Got it now?
Your question is comical because Chicago has about an average of 15 deaths per day attributed to the Chinese virus with the vast majority of them being the very elderly.
That is close to the number of weekend deaths by gunfire not counting the 100+ wounded with the vast majority of them being the very young.
Time for people to get their heads out of their rear ends.
https://heyjackass.com/

Now, if you want to break down what is going on by race, we can have that discussion but it will not bode well and I will immediately be called "racist".

 

I do not think Trump intended to inflict damage on the country with his shutdown, but maybe he did, maybe he saw that the stock market was about to enter a recession or even a depression and knew this would be a way to inject trillions into the economy and delay the next recession till after the election

 

I won't be taking the vaccine, just as I have never taken a flu vaccine. I already support Big Pharma in buying several of their other products.

I know several dozen who had the infection, and not one who has died from it.

The data has been corrupt and manipulated from the start, so we are rather like blind mice discussing the elephant we are on.

That whistleblowers and dissidents to the official narrative are openly and widely censored strongly suggests deception and malign motives.

 

You make no sense but....
Lefite mindset,
No testing was done at the White House = there is no testing and Trump is running around without a mask.
Testing is done at the White House requiring no mask required = Trump is using all the tests and there are none for the common citizens.

 

with Trump, I will be careful on the vaccine too, course I think I already had the virus late last year anyways

 

It is spreading if more people are getting it but increased testing finding asymptomatic cases does not mean more people are getting it.
As far as hospitalization that’s a valid number and everyone knew opening economies would increase the spread of Covid. That’s the trade off to not going into an irreversible economic depression. The shutdown was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed in the beginning of this when ventilators were in short supply. We have to live with Covid deaths for a while to keep our economy going just as we live with traffic fatalities and horrible injuries for the same reason

 

Righty mindset, testing is needed for people that work at the White House, but the virus is just a simple flu.... nothing to worry about

Trump even took a drug not proven to work he is so fearful of this virus

 

I think you could both be arguing over different things. The anti-body test will test for Coronavirus antibodies, which could be from another part of the Coronavirus family. This makes them largely useless and inaccurate.

The viral test on whether you have CoVID 19 or not is specific to CoVID 19.

 

Hospitals in Fla, Arizona and Texas could max out.

The hospital staff are already going through hell, and Trump is cutting funding for testing while increasing the spread of the disease at his rallies.

I have said this many times, but this will go into textbooks as the textbook case of how not to handle a pandemic.

 

if the virus was not still spreading, more testing would not keep showing more cases

and I agree, I do not think the Trump shutdown was needed in any State unless the medical system was being overloaded or on it's way to being overloaded

 

My theory has been from the beginning that Trump was set up for this event. That Fauci said in 2017 that "this administration will experience a pandemic" or words to that effect corroborate that theory, and I never knew Fauci said that until well after it started. Plandemic, all the way.

Trump is a crook, so he deserves what he got, and yes his cronies profited greatly from this, as did the entire oligarchy.

 

Increased testing will find asymptomatic cases of Covid that otherwise would never have been counted so yes increased testing will find more Covid cases at least on paper

 

Uhh...according to your website, 282 people have been shot and killed in Chicago and 1325 have been shot.



On the other hand, nearly 4400 have died by Covid-19 in Cook County. That is 3x the number of people shot and almost 20x higher than the number of deaths from shooting.

 

Errr, the governors of the individual states determined when and how it was to be shutdown and re-opened.

 

The States which are currently locking themselves down further are Republican led States, like Arizona and Texas.

 

I think Trump closing down travel scared countries, they are used to following our lead.... Trump set off a domino effect, then when he saw other country's shutdown, he followed their lead - fear got the best of world leaders... including Trump

 

most followed the Trump guidelines

 

I hope you understand me. If not, I will once again restate it for you. I am more concerned that my relative will be shot, wounded, or involved in a gunfire event in the city of Chicago than they will be affected by the Chinese virus. Am I making myself clear enough for you?
I do hope you find the murder statistics in Chicago more distressing than any from the Chinese virus.

 

Bad answer. Trump gave federal guidelines but the individual governors of each state were directed to be in control of each and every rule regarding re-opening but you know that do you not?