Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy, sources say

Much of this describes both liberal and conservative behavior alike.

The left included too.

We are all too rarely genuinely mindful in thought or expression.

 

Not covering myself as much as pointing out that it's a despicable & dangerous lie aimed at damaging Assange, but also a lie about a nothing burger.

 

He's worried about process crimes being pressed based on a fabrication?

He doesn't like being lied about?

He's downed the ludicrous "Assange is evil!" Kool-Aid & wants no association with him, even in the form of a lie?

 

The same Assange that many Americans wanted execution for him for releasing videos taken during the second Gulf War. And you have ignored the statement from Manafort denying going to the embassy

 

Well, that's where attacks on Assange are headed.

The whole Trump thing is a ridiculous witch hunt (and maybe some karma for him), but attacks on Assange - drawing him into this - are a MUCH more serious matter.

As an aside, let me say publicly that while we VIGOROUSLY disagree on this, I value your perspective and contributions here at PF.

 

Well, The Big Orange & I just agree on this. Monicagate was an equally appalling fiasco; a complete disgrace.

Collusion in this instance is just a ludicrous claim; step back & pretend Hillary was president & this was being done to her.

 

You say conspiracy, I say reality. Well, she was ready to go along. And heartily. I don't think you understand how screwed up things are, and how much the oligarchy loves war as a reset & asset grab.

Trump is repulsive, yes. Yes she is; but if she didn't - and I ask this in all seriousness - what difference does it make? People seek to do damage to one another all the time; nothing burger.

 

I apologize; your contributions are valued. What I'm describing is basic reality. (You described it pretty well too.) I wish I had your innocence about this.

Win or lose, the oligarchy always wins; they're pulling all the strings. That's why they love war in crisis times like this.

Trump is scum; he is innocent of this collusion nonsense, however.

 

Assange is a jerk/hero. And he MUST be protected. I'm not ignoring anything; I don't think Manafort went, but it doesn't matter if he did. Is there actual proof he went? Either way, a nothing burger, but significant because ANYTHING that damages or attempts to damage Assange is VERY serious. The BS Trump witch hunt is one thing, but burning the Constitution is another.

 

Unless you have access to data no one outside the investigation does....that comment cannot be accurate or inaccurate. We will all find out in January most likely.

 

What do I win for being right?

 

Nothing...this is not a game.

 

Hungry Hungry Witch Hunt?

Rockem Sockem Trumpem?

Comeyland?

 

1. Do you believe the Trump Tower meeting was an attempt at "collusion"? If yes, should Don Jr be charged (eventually)? Then, also if yes, if Trump knew about the meeting AND topic beforehand and gave the go ahead, shouldn't he also be charged as a co-conspirator?
2. Do you believe that Trump should already be legally associated with the crimes that Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to based on the "directed for the purpose of the election" plea statement?

 

1. Of course not; opposition research. Of course not. No.

2. Cohen? Without meaningful corroboration, no. He was fed the lies he needed to speak to minimize his consequences. Also, politics is filthy. If you think Trump did anything Hillary didn't (& then some), I have some waterfront property in Death Valley I'd like to sell you.

 

LOL, even Sloppy Steve knew this meeting was a few steps higher than opposition research....

Hillary organized a payoff to 2 women to avoid their relationship stories from coming out close to the election?? Good to know (Also might excite Bill a bit)

The meaningful corroboration has already been provided by the WSJ article, but if that's not enough for you, there's also likely the untold stories of David Pecker and Weisselberg, who didn't receive immunity for their good looks...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/09/tru...to-stormy-daniels-and-karen-mcdougal-wsj.html

 

Video of the semen-stained apparel or it didn't happen.

Nothing burgers as far as the eye can see, all served up with special secret hypocrisy sauce.

You'd best pray that none of this goes anywhere (it won't), because if this is the ridiculous standard set, Jesus himself would be ineligible for office. (Pals around with a shady woman.)

G-d but US politics is a depraved farce...

 

Where is the right to stolen property?

 

Well, the hysterically ironic part of these "sex" scandals is that Trump wouldn't have lost ONE vote if the full stories of both Stormy and McDougal came out prior to the election (assuming they were just straight sex). His base has proved that time and time again since. With the Billy Bush tape, everybody knew this guy was human slime, so piling on a few more stories wouldn't have moved the needle at all.

But cover ups, even of relatively minor issues, almost always come back to bite people, and quite often involve illegal activities, even while the original acts weren't...

Jesus may have hung around with shady women, but I don't believe Mary Magdalene ever signed an NDA for money.

 

Ask Daniel Ellsberg.

 

Yup - human slime... ...but still no worse than being a Clinton.

Indeed. But still a super-duper nothing burger.

The miracle of making nothing burgers from the TDS.

 

Collusion is not a crime. Neither is digging up dirt on an opponent. Where did Assange get those emails? From crooked Hillary's unsecured server.

 

apples and oranges and you know it

 

No they got them from the dnc and Gmail.
Criminal conspiracy is the crime.

 

But collusion isn't and it's yet to be proven that they were stolen by Assange.