Marijuana Legalization

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Not that I smoke the weed, but I once did when I was younger. So, given my experience with it, to compare it to schizophrenia is so absurd. Nor would I compare alcohol to this mental illness. Unlike your illness, untreated, you can choose when you change consciousness, and it only changes it in a mild way, and is temporary. There are many people helped by the CBD higher content weed, and for some iit is the only seizure meds that work, without the horrible side effects. So, you are being cruel in calling them monsters. Cruel to so many kids across this nation. You sir, are the monster here. In all kindness do I express that.

It will deny drug gangs revenue, and dry up the gangs involved in the sell of weed. Just like the repeal of Prohibition dried up gangs here who sold illegal booze. The suppliers of weed in the legal states are monitored, and have strict requirements. To up the potency requires dedicated growers who use science to increase potency. The drug gangs, the Mexican cartel has never been involved in this. Their weed is low to mid quality. Sold in states without legal weed.

The harder drugs? We need to use the Portugal model which MSM will never talk about. Stop locking up addicts, turning them into felons which ruins their futures when they get out, and get clean. This is the most intelligent and moral way to handle hard drug addicts. Opiate addiction is a horrible addiction. No doubt about that. Our money should be spend on rehabs, free to addicts, due to the great difficulty in getting off opiates. People get hooked on opiates from injuries and surgery, cancer, to treat pain. And we need opiates to treat pain, for it is humane to do so. So we must not get too crazy when it comes to opiates and take this drug away from doctors and humanity's suffering.

 

So your opinion should be forced on everyone else? A friend of mine was battling leukemia and could not keep food down. Pot helped him keep his weight up and provided some comfort to someone fighting for his life. You are proposing that he should have been forced to suffer because you believe your morals are superior?

Maybe I should just take into account that you admitted to having schizophrenia and that you see monsters!

 

You're missing the point. See, it's the realization that your opinion is worthless. We live on a rock floating in space. Nonviolent things shouldn't be illegal. It's all about perspective.

The reality is that marijuana is benign. No matter what you said. You have to realize that this is a multi-fasceted problem. The issues and risks associates with making weed illegal far outweigh the benefits. This really isn't debatable, except for anecdote. And btw, stop talking anecdote, it's a worthless argument. The only thing that matters is statistics.

And those that compare weed to heroine are literally, stupid, ignorant idiots. Period. I get angry when our world is filled with laws that don't make any logistical sense... especially in "reality" which you allude to but don't seem to very well grasp.

 

As usual the pro-drug rally comes up with excuses for why marijuana should be legal. Happens every time. Meanwhile we know that it's really all about them wanting to take marijuana recreationally and ruin their lives.

 

The above is an exaggeration, if not an outright lie. In state prisons, (Table 9 in the PDF below), only 3.5% of prisoners are in for drug possession (15.7% for drug offenses in general). In federal prisons, it's 49.5%, but as you should know, federal prisoners are only about 12% of the overall prison population. So that makes for maybe 22% of total prisoners. Most people in prison are there for violent crimes. (52.9% of state prisoners, and 7.4% of federal prisoners).

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p15.pdf

 

Only about 3.5% of state prison inmates are in for drug possession charges. (15.7% for all drug offenses). Most prisoners in state prisons are in for violent crimes.

 

He's anti-drug to the point of being a tea-totaller himself. He doesn't smoke, drink or do illegal drugs, and told his kids to do the same.

 

As usual, you are seeing things that aren't there. I don't use pot or alcohol. I don't believe in abortion either, but my beliefs should never be forced onto others. That is not freedom or justice.

You believe my mother in law should have been denied medical marijuana. She had a brain tumor and it gave her some relief from her pain and loss of appetite. You are in no position to claim moral superiority.

As far as recreational use, it doesn't infringe on your freedom and laws don't prevent people from getting it. Of course, you would rather have the profits go to gang members, who carry guns and sell to children than a law abiding business owner.

 

Hopefully there are some people around him that can change his mind, or at least keep him busy with projects other than enforcing Marijuana prohibition.

 

Well, Penn Jillette is also a teetotaler, but he supports legalization. I'm not saying Trump is the same, just that I have no idea what his stance is. I think he could get lots of political capital if he were pro-legalization. The time is right.

 

Penn Jillete is a libertarian magician/comedian not a nationalistic populist politician. Trump has said he's not against medical marijuana, but I doubt that he will go further than that.

 

I know, I was only trying to point out that just because someone is a teetotaler it doesn't mean they support prohibition. I guess we will have to keep our fingers crossed.

 

If you're accurate and I'm not debating that, it sure seems like massive funds being spent for incarcerating as well as the funds spent fighting it.

 

The only reason I can think of on the prosecution side of the continued prohibition of cannabis, is that it's low hanging fruit, harvested easily for many initial felony convictions..... The bulk of which, result in supervision, which the offender pays a fee for.

At home GPS supervision, is exponentially more expensive, yet widely in use.

Ease of capture, non-violent offenders
+ since many of those newbies still have jobs, they're more than willing to legally, & financially jump through hoops for whatever amount of time you have on supervision.

Now, that adds up to a ton of cash right thar.

Sprinkle in the treatment, fines, etc., that's a few more tons of cash.

 

Morality is point of view nothing more nothing less.

All drugs should be legal, it culls those who shouldn't be here.

 

Inquisitive youth shouldn't be here?

Just to mention one "Those" often victims of drug use.

 

What do you mean inquisitive? Like the youth of California where everybody get's a high school degree now? >.>

Surely you meant where I live, in the heroin strip of the US. The people here are having "Narcan Party's" now. They do enough heroin to OD, their friend gives them Narcan so they instantly come down, they shoot up more heroin directly afterwards. Repeat.

No, your post is nonsense. The smart ones will survive, the dumbs ones wont. It's the way nature works.

And Fu** you for trying to hide behind the youth, no better than a politician.

 

If I should smoke marijuana until I'm stoned, take my handgun and fire it harmlessly into the ground in front of city hall I'd be arrested, jailed, bought before a judge, fined and never be allowed to own a firearm again.
Common sense really I've shown that I'm a potential risk to the safety of the general public.

If I should drink alcohol until I'm drunk, drive my car and crash into city hall I'd be arrested, jailed, bought before a judge, fined and have my car returned to me with the warning "Be more careful next time". If I chose to ignore this warning and did it again they would still keep giving me my car back despite my now proven track record of being a genuine risk to the safety of the general public.

As a cop I could never understand this.

 

Already is a windfall for the federal government. Since all these state legal Marijuana business are still considered illegal by the federal government, when they pay their federal income tax or Corporate tax, they don't get to deduct the cost of ordinary operating expenses. Ive heard of figures as high as 75% of total revenue, paid in federal income tax by these legalized by the state marijuana businesses. Make them legal under federal law and that 75% would probably drop to 10%

 

I was only going by your comment that I quoted.

You made a blanket comment stating all drugs should be outright legal, to cull out those who "shouldn't be here".

I don't care who you are, or where you're from, that is asshat of the year type mentality.

No nonsense. Remember, this country is vastly larger than the place you're in. Legalize everything outright in your state perhaps.

Looks to need a hefty bit of culling.

 

Someone qualified should do a cost analysis between net revenues gained from Legal Marijuana Sales vs. Pot Related Detainees within Prison Contracts. I'm surprised NORML hasn't jumped on this yet.

Also, a side study would be nice to establish the demographics of people held in prison for pot misdemeanors. I'm Surprised BLM has not jumped on this one yet.

Lastly, you'd think a simple petri dish test and slides under a microscope could (dis)prove the interaction between THC/CBD and live cancer cells. Again surprised the American Cancer Society hasn't jumped on this yet.

We already know you cant OD and die using pot. maybe suffer from obesity at most.

 

The ACS can't jump on studies that can't be done here due to cannabis' classification as scheduel 1.

 

I don't understand, opioids (heroine) is used in medical procedures and it is a Schedule 1 drug too.

 

Here's schedule 2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_II_drugs_(US)

Here's schedule 1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schedule_I_drugs_(US)