Marines delay 3-pullups requirement for women

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  1. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This was within weeks of it happening.
     
  2. SensesFailed

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    I kind of figured it was, I was just pointing out that they still use it or at least mention it
     
  3. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wouldn't doubt that, they will do anything to scare the crap out of you.
     
  4. Herkdriver

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    The physics of a pull-up.

    M x D

    M = mass
    D = distance

    Women have a distinct disadvantage in upper body musculature, I've read somewhere along the lines of 40% less than the average male.

    Where women have an advantage however is in mass...they typically weigh less and
    have shorter arms, therefore D, or distance, is less.

    An exercise regimen focusing on the muscles required to do a pull-up might help with the disadvantage of less upper body musculature that generates necessary force.

    Admittedly, women struggle with pull-ups. Young or older.

    As an aside, an airman, male or female does not need to do a pull-up to pass BMT.

    The Marine Corps has their own standards, and I'll leave it to them to decide what best suits their operational needs in terms of developing an agreed upon minimum standard for all Marines, male or female.

    Any bright young woman, who otherwise may qualify for the Marines aside from the inability to do 3 pull-ups. Talk to an Air Force recruiter.
    The Air Force maintains higher standards regarding ASVAB results and is a more technical oriented military branch. We'd be happy to have you...or I should say....they would...I'm no longer affiliated with the services.

    The Air Force reserves maintain the highest percentage of females in the ranks.
    You don't have to be a Marine to aspire to integrity, service and excellence.

    Go blue.
     
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    Oh, you're just an anti-feminist.
     
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    Boy...you're Old School, aren't ya?

    Thanks for your service.

    Anyone can be called into a combat role at any time in the USMC, which is NOT TRUE in the other branches of the service, by and large.

    I have an M-1 Garand. Awesome 30,06 rifle..hardly any kick, because it's SOO FRIGGIN" heavy.

    I'd LOVE to own a BAR. My dad carried one through most of WW2; sometimes a Thompson.
     
  7. Marine1

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    Home, right out of boot camp

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  8. SensesFailed

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    I wouldn't go that far when it comes to the other branches using non-combat MOS military members in combat. I know of plenty of people in non-combat MOS' that were attached to infantry units and were asked to do some basic infantry duties, especially during the two recent wars.
     
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    Excellent point...the silver to green program.

    Many airman were offered an opportunity to transfer to the Army and given specific combat training in the process as at the time the Army was in dire need of ground elements with combat training.

    As already alluded by E Pluribus...today's airman is given weapon's training specifically intended for use as a defense force if necessary. Marines are essentially a fighting branch...but being smaller and dependent on the Navy for a lot of their support, they can afford to be. The Army still maintains the larger ground combat force, and they support themselves, with the help of the Air Force of course.

    One team, One fight.

    I've never bought into the concept one branch was superior to another..the Marines just have better public relations. The Marines have the toughest basic training, everyone knows that, however other branches maintain higher educational standards due to the technical nature of war fighting.

    How long do you think a division of Marine rifleman would last in the field if they went up against a conventional force equivalent in training and equipment...with no other support?

    The concept of "everyone is a rifleman" is somewhat dated, though weapons skills should be common throughout all the branches.
     
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    My Dad in the middle. How you like them uniforms

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    Man how the Uniforms have changed lol. My old man actually showed us a picture of him in Vietnam near his cannons and it was amazing to see the differences in uniform from then till now lol
     
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    That's the problem with the Air Force. No matter what your job is, wearing the Class A everyone looks like a bus driver.

    "Excuse me sir, what time is the Greyhound scheduled to depart Albuquerque"

    The Marines have the best uniforms...the Navy whites?

    Wow...well maybe the Village People might like them.
     
  13. Marine1

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    The Army dress officers uniform has changed a lot. At first I thought it was a Marine uniform, but I like the Army one better. They have a little bit of the old Civil War uniform in it. Much different than my Uncles officers uniform of WWII.
     
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    Officer uniforms. Very sharp back then...

    [video=youtube;v4_9azmR_5k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_9azmR_5k[/video]
     
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    Though this one is pretty sharp itself...

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  16. Marine1

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    Does anyone remember when the Navy went to a new enlisted man's uniform and ditched the bell bottoms ones? It looked like Army with jacket and tie, but all white. It stunk and didn't last very long. Looked for it but couldn't find it. I think it came out about 1975 or76.
     
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    WWII Major dress uniform

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    I usually just wore my engineer coveralls everywhere so I couldn't really tell ya.
     
  19. SensesFailed

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    Yeah we finally just got them in my National Guard unit.. which I will be handing back in 4 months, never even got to wear it. Still have my dress blues though, gotta love them lol
     
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    Wonder what time period this was? Looks a little pre WWI

    Is that Teddy Roosevelt?
     
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    'Tis indeed. United States Volunteers uniform to be precise. That is what you storm San Juan Hill in...

    As the man said: Speak softly, and carry a big stick.

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    Before my time, but a quick search mentions the change you're referencing occurring in the 1970s. Can't seem to find a photo example though.
     
  23. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It really wasn't a bad looking uniform. Seems they got worse when my Dad was in. But I really am stuck on the new Army officers uniform. Marine's don't seem to have changed at all. Although it seems like Marines and Army ditched the old Ike jackets.
     
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    I was in during the 90's and I can't think of any jacket/tie/white combo. We had classic whites/blues work blues w/tie and various "utilities"...
     
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    Pathetic. Everyone should be able to do more than 3 pull-ups BEFORE they are even allowed to go to basic Marine training. If they can't do three wimpy ass pull-ups after basic, they should be kicked out immediately and have to refund the cost of training their sorry asses. If someone can't put forth the miniscule effort required to do THREE (3) PULL-UPS, then they are worthless, and I wouldn't hire them to wipe my ass.
     

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