Mass murderer Brievik goes on trial in Norway!

Btw notice in this surviving victims eyewitness report ," we didn't know how many were shooting " thats a quote which means she said it if you are wondering about the " " marks thats what they mean.

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I wonder where the pope was that day, and the Archbishop of Totenworsterchestershire, I never trusted that prick.

 

That's right.

This is also what he is saying himself. He is not particularly christian. He wants Christians to become militant as they were thousand years ago.

He's main issue is political. He wants to cause rage among those who has been silenced in media for the last decades. Basically the nationalists and the anti-jihad.

Now that we hear hes views in the court it is apparent that hes logic is quite juvenile and filled with holes. Typically a looser who desperately wanted to become a great figure.

 

Its very hard to extract the essence of what you are trying to say.

Either way, this guy fits the bill of an extreme narcissist to the letter, and thats not symptomatic for norwegians by any means.

How to Spot a Narcissist

 

Do you consider North Africa and Spain to be part of the Muslim world?

 

No, the modern crusader is someone who vigorously fights for a cause or against an abuse and has nothing to do with going to war on foreign land. The Islamist blogosphere you indulge in has corrupted your English. Religious armies fighting crusades is history long before the modern age with nuclear weapons. Your use of the term demonstrates your radicalisation, what influences cause that if they weren't Saudi?

So your perspective is quite in line with Bin Laden is it not? Would you go so far as to say that Muslims have a duty to keep "foreign crusaders" out of their lands or is this where you diverge from his ideology?

 

Yes quite so however that wont stop people who want to believe he is a fundamentalist Christian fighting a religious campagn.

 

Soooo that's a no! Annnnd reported.

So you keeping saying, and since there is no possible way that a single shooter could do it you can show me the mathematical formula you came up with to conclude this fact and then give me the evidence which must exist for the 2nd shooter unless you are asserting that the ballistics pattern coming out of all the shooters weapons were identical which sport is in fact impossible.

The testimony of the SEAL team that took him out and his wife that saw him shot along with the DNA evidence which was taken from his corpse.

 

I have to admit, this type of response makes me feel way smarter than I probably am. It’s like arguing with a toddler. At least one of us is wasting our time!

So, you had no response about the Huffpost article, so now you move on to Wikipedia. I read the Wikipedia piece and sorry, I didn’t get what was the evidence you saw there to decide that Brievik was some sort of warrior for Christ. Why don’t you break it out for me and tell me what demonstrates his Christian bona fides.

Let me get this straight. Defending Zionism is an integral part of Christianity? Don’t tell the pope!

As far as hating Muslims go, I’d say that muslims have been working overtime to get most religious groups throughout the world to hate them. Also, atheists and agnostics. Breivik does seem to hate muslims, but that’s not Christian doctrine, and it certainly isn’t something that only affects Christians. That Muslim public relations campaign that’s been going on for the past couple of years has made Islam a hot topic from Mumbai to London, to Nigera, Kenya, Argentina, New York, Washington, and even tiny Stonycreek Township, Pennsylvania. People of all faiths are talking about Islam now days. It’s trending very highly.

That’s not to say there is no such thing as a Christian terrorist. There is, Scott Roeder is one. But this bizarre attempt to paint Brievik as a Christian terrorist seems pointless given the dearth of facts. Why do you feel it’s so necessary to link Brievik with Christianity?

 

One day ,we are being led to beleave that he orgainised explosives in the middle of Norways Capitial ,blew up Parilament buildings ,like office blocks worth ,hopped in his car Travelled down the road ,got changed into a police uniform with a Arsenal in his car ,caught the ferry ,waved good bye to the departing ferry ,and started to Execute ,now not just shoot in a hurry moving on ,NO DELIBERATE EXECUTIONS,of 69 Humans .Allin what 3hours ALONE yeah Right and Santa exists and God is real!


Oh and he planned all this alone ,OK,the tooth fairies are coming out now!

Any Professional Soldiers wish to comment on the Probability of the Lone Gunman BS!

 

Hey I was matching the reference source to the audience.Yes and thanks for reminding me that his references as reported by Reuters ,and such at the time [history has definitely existed from my experience more then the last yearor so]that he "described himself as a Knight Templar"good enough for me son.

Now as far as my "Christian Terrorist " definition and its import ,I have as have others noticed this Phenomena in 21st century Political Reality [of the other then Internet type]that Modernday' like' all this week and the last ,the Consistant expression of terrorist acts by the Religious Minded "Faith Thinking" section of the Global Population .

Muslim Terrorists=All Muslim Literal Intertpreters of the Koran !

christian Terrorists [Timothy Mcveigh included]= Ditto

Jewish Terrorists=Zionism [no wonder Brevik likes Zionism ]

Hindu terrorists =BJP already a fascist party in India .

ECT ect ...................

See us Scientific as distinct from Faith Thunukun ,Humans base what we say Particularly from the Unfolding Political Evidence not from words but JUDGEMENT from Historically Connected Deeds.

As an Athieist it is beyond my comprehension to judge anyone on the Basis of Religious belief as an individual .

But we are talking more then just the religious minded individual as far as Religion and Secularism in the 21st Century ,you all seem to Forget Radical revolutionary Secular Terrorism of the MASS type.and the part it has played with pushing back reactionary old type human thinkin,that is known as Religion or the God squad for the MONARCHY!

Sorry the Battle for the minds of Humanity is over and science Wins Hands down pulling away!

Science ,ever do truth in School its called science and relies on no faith thinking at all!

 

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We would like to know where you get your stories from if not directly out of your ass? He launched a single bomb large enough that it hit several government buildings he did not detonate several independent bombs as you appear to be asserting, and then after several hours he had finally made his way to his second target where he began firing on people with his weapons indiscriminately after he had called them over to himself under the guise of a police officer. I guess in your alternate reality one one finds it impossible to kill that many unarmed civilians or to board a ferry and finds it completely unnecessary to present actual evidence pointing to multiple gunmen; such as, witnesses or ballistics tests.

 

And the police were doing what and the phones of the other 60 children suddenly stopped working and he self trained ,and and blah Fairyb tale stuff ,Hans christian Anderson is writing the script and the Norweigen government is hiding the names and connection s.

newsflash ,norway has a police force and monitors its population very closely as does a little orgainisation called NATO,so back to your fairy tale ,see say 2 shooters,meets brevik on the island takes breviks rifle and shoots downs them as Brevik executes with pistol ,after wiring up a very large device in oslo downtown not acoulpe hundred metres from a policeman or a citizen watching or someone going what was that big noise i better ring the police ,or a gun man is shooting my school friends i will do nothing because the police do not exist ,after over an Hour as read by the prosecutor.

Gee, was everyone asleep at the time ,yes it took ages for the POLICE ,see the Police are the well POLICE and we pay them to get madmen slaughtering kids on a island ,see I think the police didn;\'t become confused or didn't know Brevik i think some of them THUGS called policemen can be fascist minded and helpfull to brevik the lone Gunman and Munitions expert with no formal training .


HE WAS NEVER IN THE MILITARY NOW WAS HE ,not even the reserve because they thought him to nutty ,

You are not actually watching the televised commentary are you ??

guess who is watching live .Intently like all day as a job watch TV news reports ,person ,hello my names is comrade Phil Tele watcher for information .

 

Oh the point about balistics yes well ,if a man has a rifle and a pistol and he meets another man and gives him the pistol or rifle then they can together shoot people more efficently ,when they are finished the other man can give back the weapon and leave without being caught .

As many of the witnesses have said inreported statements they were in fear of their lives ,which makes them rather unreliable.Do they have phones in Norway ,does your average teenager or person in their 20's have mobile phones to call the pPolice with ,gee I reckon on a city with a river and waterways that theycould even have wait for it ,WATER POLICE on boats ?????????

Either the Oslo police are most inept stupid police on the planet ,or they all are cowards and refused to go agianst the reported lone gunman ,or some of them helped Brevik ,were in on it .what other options do you have ???

Hey i recok the Norwegian police are on average VeRY RIGHT WING ,having to deal with those dirty Immigrants and black people even in Norway thinking Police.

Only good cop is a dead one ANYWHERE.BTW!

The events of Oslo confirm it the Oslo police deserve shooting for allowing this act of Fascism .THEY KNEW THE KIDS WOULDE HAVE TOLD THEM AFTER THE FIRST SHOT WAS FIRED automatic rifle fire does make people do stuff .or did they all just fall down dead in 5 minutes as you think .


from first shot to the eventual arrival of the police approx 75minutes ,what did the police do for the over an hour that they knew what was going on ,pray tell??????


If I was in Oslo and presented with this senario guess what i can assure you brevik wouldn't be running around for over an hour killing children ,he wouldn't be giving the evidence at all ,How about the old Police Helicopter and Sniper trick .???

oh evidently no police helicopter well what the police do then is go to a helipad hop on the helicopter and tell the pilot what to do .Bang after about 30mins max one dead Brevik.Do the military have Helicopters protecting the Capitial of Norway ,gee I wonder???

 

I love it when your exorcist has a day off, soooooo funny.

 

Hey arn't we allowed to speculate ?

If we have learnt anything in the past decade its that whatever any Government says is Spin and nothing else the Norwegian Government is in Damage control and any fool that thinks the Stae hasn't supported Brevik in some way is a Gulible fool ,sorry only superman could have carried this autrocity out in the time frame ALONE ,yeah right and the toothfairy is real ,HE COULD NOT not did not ,Physically COULD NOT HAVE ACTED ALONE ,there is a small but growing fascist movement in NORWAY.

Btw,do they have a Police force in Oslo?

do teenagers have mobile phones in Norway ?

Would humans ring the police on their Mobile phones when they realise very rapidly a gunman is firing killing their friends even if in a Police uniform.???

i say that the teensgers did ring and ring and ring for over an hour ,What do you reckon .Maybe Brevik mates in the Norwegian state stopped communications getting off the Island Possible Inprobable but possible.

he had that much time and even expected a state response .which didn't happen as guess what Norway has ,that is HAS anti-terrorist Units whose job is to protect the population from acts and individuals such as this.I reckon its one of the Highest trained and resoursed Anti-Terrorist para-military forces in Europe ,probably NATO trained ,Were they asleep at the time ,no I think they agree with Brevik actually.

Sat on their hands and let it rip.

It will be interesting to see what the ANTI-Terrorist Squads say ,if the Government investigates this question at all ,personally I think it will be sweeped under the table.

Please answer the Question ,Why did it take the Oslo Police over an hour to respond?

What the hell was the Anti-terrorist squads doing at the time ?

Do the Police in Oslo have Boats?

Personally if I was a parent recieving the calls from my child as it happened I would grap the closest weapon and boat and intervene.How about you ?

Gee ,I might even grab the closest Police man and take him with me.As they weren't doing anything else at the time.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...xpSCBA&usg=AFQjCNHGwDhHzXcuEkzU19Xigwt0Z6QGhQ

And ther you go the norwegian police have SWAT units and it took from reports 30minutes for them 'Driving fast"to go 5 km's down the road ,ok 10km\h is fast for the Police.

I am just speculating BTW ,even though the inconsistancy and claims by the police ,seem very suspect as to either be incompetence or agreement with Brevik.

 

And lets look at the timeline of police response and then tell me they acted with speed and urgency NOT!

TIMELINE OF ATTACKS:

3.26pm - A car bomb explodes outside the prime minister's office in central Oslo.

Around 4.50pm - Holidaymakers at a campsite begin to hear shooting across the lake on Utoya, an island where the Labour Party was holding a summer camp for its youth wing
5.38pm - A SWAT team is dispatched from Oslo. It drives, deciding that starting a police helicopter would take longer.

By 6pm - The team arrives at the lake, but struggles to find a boat to cross over.

6.20pm - The SWAT team arrives on the island.

6.35pm - The suspect puts down his weapons and surrenders to police.
* all times are local



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ders-Behring-Breivik-mercy.html#ixzz1snj2JRjl

So first reprots of Automatic weapons ,4:50 pm ,police arrive at 6pm thats an hour and 10mins ,on arriving at the site immediately opposite the Island ,oh dear its an Island so we need a boat ,time taken to get a boat ,30mins so thats now 1hr 30mins .

Noone used amobile phone OK ,believe it if you want he acted alone and was just lucky having the stupidist police on the planet at the time ,BTW the centre of OSLO to the Island is about a 15minute casual drive.

I love the comment that it would have taken longer to get a helicopter ,gee modern helicopters take over an Hour to warm up OK ,yeah really !

every police officer in Oslo should be sacked and replaced with smarter people.

Oh dear something stinks in the sate of Norway Big time.

Gee ,one would think with a bomb blowing up the prime mionisters office that the stae forces would be put on Alert staus and mobilised Like Helicopters and things being started at around 3.26pm not thought about over an Hour later ,gee one would think that Helicopters would be in the air pretty quickly ,after the blast if nothing else then to determine Damage and give intelligence ,Reasonable considering the Billions the Norwegian Government has spent on the 'War on Terror".One would think but the money was probably poketed by some private consultancy and security firm .


Amazing so its either ,the stuopidest Police on the Planet ,all of them should be sacked ,or its a case of Government coverup ,


PS I could swear the prosecutor said the events on the island from begining to end was about 70mins ,wow she lied from the start ,this trial is about Government coverup,more then prosecuting a Fascist Christian terrorist.

FROM 4:50pm to 5:38 pm the Police sat on their hands and did absolutely NOTHING ,please try to explain that ?????

WHY????

48minutes of absolutely Nothing ,zip ,zero ,nadir ,nicto,sat on their hands ,just keep listening to phone calls for help ,gee do they have an emergency number in Norway ???

Primative place Norway!

 

Oh and have a look at this plenty of quotes from the foreign minister about it being a Islamic terrorist act ,even 'one' taking responsibility [Government based]oh and the staement of the Prime minister ,'its Ok I am alright and safe"Classic !

give it a read if you dare.

And guess what the first helicopter on scene was a Television one ,700 on the Island at the time guttless social democrats ,personally I would have mass rushed him when it first started then again I am not a scared Social democrat am I.700 of them and they didn't fight back .See in this situation kids you wait for him to reload and then smash him with a piece of wood Iron bars or maybe a bow and arrow even ,they like archery in Norway ,it wouldn't have surprised me if a few hunting rifles wouldn't have been on the Island.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...mcWwBA&usg=AFQjCNHYEtk4Qe_NTSRJ4q8JRrWlAcGNWA


I suppose its fair enough to choose to wait for the Police in a modern Nation State ,the people of Norway should not make that mistake again faith in the Government will get u dead.

 

How fippant you are ,and not very smart ,I am sayi9ng that Brvik couldn't have acted alone ,and the police either are the stupidist on the Planet or something very rotten exists in the State of Norway ,like nowing and agreeing with Breviks politics .

BTW ,all humans are Narcissistic every human bar none ,it is irrelevent to anything really particulary in relation to Politics ,what the hell are you syaing that terrorist can be identified by Narcissist behaviour or something very unclear please elaborate.

do you have self love which is another name for self esteem.

 

Oh it gets worse the more one looks into it ,Breivik, who had dressed as a policeman on Friday, had been on an intelligence watch list since March, further reports said.

The gunman walks past his victims on shoreline. Pic: Marius Arnesen/NRK.

Norwegian newspaper VG Nett claims Breivik had been put on the list after illegally buying large amount of chemicals online from a Polish retailer.
The country's intelligence service had apparently not acted on the information about because they did not believe it was "relevant".
But Mr Storberget denied police had ignored threats posed by right-wing zealots in Norway.
"I reject suggestions that we have not had the far-right under the microscope," he said.
On Monday evening, tens of thousands of people gathered in Oslo to mourn those killed in the tragedy and lay thousands of flowers around the city.
Crown Prince Haakon spoke "of a street being filled with love," bringing his wife Crown Princess Mette-Marit, to tears.
"We have the power to meet hate with togetherness. We have chosen what we stand for," he said

Bugger the Picture from a Helicopter of Brevik in the act ,a great open shot for even the worse police sniper ,need the link will get have a look and tell me the Photo wasn't taken from a helicopter,and the Police forgot they may need a bot when they arrived .Ok whatever!

 

I think it's pretty clear that Norwegian police aren't used to having to deal with much.

Norway is practically a utopia compared to America, for example. The downside to this is that, if anything does happen, they're caught with their pants down.

Over here, cops are used to dealing with shootouts, and we've got some pretty hardened SWAT teams in many of our larger cities.

 

I don`t know the circumstances, I`m not interested in La La Land speculation. However, Brevik not being a muslim, exposes him to expensive patent litigation.

 

Oh dear with the supressed helicopter photo of brevik in the act the lack of Helicopter defence by the Police is exploded ,keystone cops the Norway SWAT are not!

Looks like all the evidence points to this trial being turned into a Government coverup.And white wash as to the role of the Police.

They couldn't have assisted Brevik more if they tried.Criminal negligence at the least the sacking of the entire police froce is called for .from the top down if they are that incompetent then public safety is comprimised .they are in effect useless,a waste of taxpayers money and should be looking for other employment!

 

Phil, I just have one question.

What would the Norwegian government gain from having this happen?

 

Do you mean the arse covering or the acts of Brevik ?


The Brevik trial is being used to divert the attention away from the role of the state in not acting on the purchase of the explosives in poland which they knew ,the surveilence of Brevik was active ,They are just as responsible if knowingly doing nothing ,and if its established some in the State ,like the Fascist Death Squads in Germany,supported Brevik and his group of supporters then the anger of the Norweigian People will be not just centred on Brevik but the State as well .

Any one that believes the Government line that he is a "Mad lone gunman" is an idiot,Political actions on this scale whilst being under surveilence are impossible without others supporting it within the State.

We see what political capitial the Norway Government attempted with its inital description of the acts as 'Islamic terrorism" and Anti -Immigrant retoric personally I see Brevik as a fall guy a Patsy ,for a Fascist tendency that has been developed and sustained within Norwegian and european society ,Fascist Political and extreme rightwing nationalism is just below the surface of the "multi-Cultural"Europe.

Capitialism unleashes the fascist as its final solution against the Working Class ,its more advanced then we think what bthey have to gain is secondary to them allowing it to happen ,they knew it was being planned ,they knew he had explosives and weapons they monitored his communications and did absolutely nothing to stop him ,why ????????

Lets see what is further revealed but if anyone thinks that the Norway government is an effective defence against Fascist Terrorism think again !

Put all governments in the same basket ,they are either totally incompetent which i do not rule out or they are criminally responsible ,the former stand them down and if the later then put the Government on trial..

whatever the truth, the trial of Brevik is a coverup of the role of Government agencies and an attempt to paint him as the Lone responsible gunman.