Mathematician proves Atheism to be a false idea

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  1. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    Why must it be the explanation? Because it fits well into your worldview? Explain how cell mitosis being comparable to the Fibonacci sequence, it doesn't so we're pretending here, has any relation to the mind being "like a computer"?
     
  2. Herkdriver

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    Observer Effect, a fundamental premise of quantum theory, alludes to the role of consciousness in the construct of reality. We see mathematical constructs because this is how we process the observation.
    Reality is relative to the observer.

    Has no one heard of Einstein?

    This idea has been around since 1916 when Einstein published his theory on General Relativity as a follow up to Special Relativity ....it's not some "new age" notion. We see patterns, because this is how our brains process reality. A question needs to be asked, do the patterns, these number sequences, exist independent of the observer?

    That's a fair question is it not, if indeed reality itself is relative to the observer.

    Reality needs the human (consciousness) to define it. Mathematics do not exist outside of the brain, because it is the brain which is defining something mathematically. Do you think a piece of lifeless rock orbiting a star, defines itself as following Kepler's laws of planetary motion? This concept developed in Kepler's mind, this is where it exists. The rock orbiting the star itself would have no meaning outside of a conscious observer.
     
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    While the rest of what you say is true, this part isn't. The definition and meaning of reality is relative, but reality itself is not.
     
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    A rock may orbit a star and follow Keplers laws of motion independent of a conscious observer.

    True.

    There would be no meaning to it however. Mathematics gives things meaning, and mathematics requires consciousness to exist.
     
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    A Hypothesis IS, by definition, an "explanation," here, concerning why Fibonacci series and the Golden Ratio show up in so many living creatures.

    It is also interesting that even if your own Hypothesis about mitosis is the right idea, the Binary series, 1, 2, 4, 8, ... n^2,....
    would STILL exist in the Brain as a ready neuron/transistor frame for our thinking.

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    A Hypothesis IS, by definition, an "explanation," here, concerning why Fibonacci series and the Golden Ratio show up in so many living creatures.

    It is also interesting that even if your own Hypothesis about mitosis is the right idea, the Binary series, 1, 2, 4, 8, ... n^2,....
    would STILL exist in the Brain as a ready neuron/transistor frame for our thinking.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Read Warren McCulloch's book if you don't get it...

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    Either way, actually, the cells during mitosis build across in binary series, n^2 = 1, 2, 4, 8, ...
    which will also related the nerves in accord with Fibonacci's series.
     
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    This is absolute nonsense.

    First of all this construct bears no resemblance to cellular neural construction and am I the only one that notices the ZERO is not used?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    can you not include the diagrams in your responses. Seeing them like, early in the morning
    makes me think I must be pregnant. (nausea)
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    LOL!!

    Sorry....my bad!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Zeros and one's are not used in the computer either.
    Mathematicians using Boolian Algebra use those numbers to express the Logic Gates.
    The Algebra uses numbers 0, 1, to express the circuits that will work with electricity.

    The math is expressed in computers and our brain by letting the mathematical representations on paper work with voltages of either minus, (0's) or plus, (1).

    (This may be over your head and I recommend you investigate the whole idea of computers and the Binary Number System that is used to program them by switching on voltages or switching off voltages.)
     
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    Ever hear of binary code?
     
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    Now here's a real question. If I can't see and I can't hear would the world exist? Well it wouldn't for me, so if there wasn't anyone around to see and hear would there be a world? :confuse:
     
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    I'm sorry to hear you were only born with two senses.
     
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    Oh...Dave! Over my Head?

    You need to take a few minutes and find out who and what I am and what I have done and do.

    The Human Brain is comprised of MULTIPLE DETERMINISTIC ENGINES.....and we do NOT use a Quantum Based Computational System until a CHOICE is presented to us...AND NEITHER DOES OUR NEURAL SYSTEM USE EITHER A BINARY or any thing to do with the Fibonacci Numerical System to determine Neural Pathway Growth.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The secret of the universe is that it only exists as long as the particular observer exists. Our universe came into existence when we were born and it will cease to exist when we die. You can prove this yourself very easily. Think of something that you want to happen and it will. It may take some time but generally whatever you want to happen will happen. That's because you create your own reality.
     
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    I don't know...I thin the damn CAT was alive the whole time.

    Humor for those who understand it.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    funnier without all the circles and arrows
     
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    I'm not going to read an entire book just because you have a horrible time summarizing what you're trying to say, if in fact you are trying to parrot a book.

    Do I need to explain this to you again? Just because two subsets belong to one set does not make them equal. Just because Fibonnaci's sequence and the x^2 (not n^2, that would be 1,4,9,16, etc. This shows you have a horrible ability at mathematics) can both be found in the Pascal's pyramid does not make them the same sequence.
     
  19. GraspingforPeace

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    I asked why it had to be THE explanation, not AN explanation.

    ALL cells reproduce in that sequence (2^x, not n^2), so by your hypothesis, everything made out of cells should act like a computer, not just the brain.
     
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    there goes my breakfast, he posts another diagram.....
     

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