Matt Damon on Australia's gun confiscation...I wish that could happen in my country

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Did you get this garbage from an NRA publication? They love to put the Japanese suicide rates in with the homicide rate. That's hilarious. Anybody who knows anything about Japan know about their "prideful" propensity for suicide.

    Here are the FACTS regarding homicide. You are at least 4.8 times more likely to die of homicide in the US. I will post a link, something which you failed to do.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/why-japans-murder-rate-is-so-low-2014-4

    Fewer than one person is murdered for every 100,000 in the population, compared to 4.8 for the United States and 44.7 in Belize.
     
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    And you don't think England has trolls in their subways? You don't think the Warsaw ghetto has the the kind of people you're talking about. Step back. Really think about it.
     
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    new Zealand is an outlier.
     
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    Big claim.
     
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    Did you even bother to read your our source before posting it? Many of the factors attributed to the homicide levels of the nation of Japan, are a stable economy, a prosperous society, low levels of inequality and poverty, a greater chance of being detected in committing a crime, a cultural rejection of violence, and an extremely high closure rate for homicides.

    The united states, by contrast, has absolutely none of that. By contrast the united states is a third world nation with a crippling national debt that can never be repaid, widespread unemployment and homelessness, areas of concentrated poverty, rampant inequality, violence being glorified and accepted as a solution to various problems, a thriving drug trade, being bordered with one of the most corrupt and violent nations in the entire world, and an abysmal closure rate for homicides. There is quite literally not one single aspect that makes the nation of Japan and the united states even remotely similar to one another.
     
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    Please, take minority and illegal homicides and the gun violence death rate essentially goes away. Take away Democrats and it's virtually zero.
     
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    No, the data came from the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime unintentional death rate statistics. That report showed that Japan's unintentional death rate of 22 is measurably higher than that of the US at 16.9. If gun suicides count then all suicides count.

    The Japanese culture that created their propensity for suicide that drives up their suicide numbers also created a propensity against homicide. No comparison of death or violence in the US and Japan is valid.
     
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    By outlier, you mean "disproves our argument, so we'll ignore it"?
     
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    Such a common argument, and it just doesn't hold water. What about Great Britain? I suppose they are also a better behaved country that the US. Poland? London, Warsaw - major cities - guns illegal - very few deaths by guns. It's like this around the world, but the NRA and their gun toting blind followers fail to admit it. It's a real paradigm in this country.
     
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    I get it - "take away death and the death rate goes away".
     
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    What about Russia? It's a large, diverse country just like the US, only with strict gun control laws.
     
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    Funny how Russia with strict Gun Laws also has a Mafia and high Crime and much Alcoholism and a huge thriving illegal Sex trade, as well as Illegal Drugs.

    In 2012 I found a Russian Gun Magazine, it had many pictures of
    AR -15s and other Modern Rifles, it looked much like an American Gun Magazine.

    Linky:

    http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=298790
     
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    A vague correlation without substance or even a degree of truth
     
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    Unintentional death includes both homicide and suicide. "Or" is the proper conjunction in my statement, as you can't die from two causes.

    If gun death statistics include suicides.,then all suicides have to be included.
     
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    Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
    Have anything else?
     
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    Does murder by any means besides a gun have any meaning to you? You omitted it from your statement for some reason.
     
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    Pray tell what are you attempting to claim? Are you going on record as making the statement, that firearm-related restrictions are the one, single, defining factor that results in affecting the levels of violence and homicide in any country, and that absolutely no other aspect of any of the countries have any part in the end results?
     
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    What about Great Britain? They were responsible for extending their empire and subjugation of large populations of peoples all justified by their interpretation of Darwin, an interpretation that held the British civilization was the pinicle of human evolution which made the superior over all others... that long before the same concept was exploited by the Nazis. Suppressed for decades was the following, state sponsored terrorism against it's own citizens.
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...ated-says-amnesty-international-31261593.html
     
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    What does this have to do with the price of eggs?
     
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    I never said that. However, it's clear from facts around the world, that if guns are illegal in a country, they have very few deaths by firearms.
     
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    You are the one that mentioned Great Britain as 'better behaved' than the US. I differ on that point.
     
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    Why is this important? What do you mean by "illegal"?
     
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    And yet you dismissed the various social and cultural aspects regarded as responsible for the low levels of crime in the nation of Japan, and focused exclusively on their firearm-related restrictions.

    The nation of Mexico has extremely strict firearm-related restrictions in effect. There is only one legal firearms dealers in the entire nation, and it is owned by the government. No one, absolutely no one, is allowed to own any firearm chambered in any caliber used by the military, regardless of how much paperwork they complete. Yet they are one of the most violent countries in the world, with many deaths attributed to firearms and their use.
     
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