Matt Damon on Australia's gun confiscation...I wish that could happen in my country

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  1. TOG 6

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    You know this is not true, so there's no need to address it further.
    But, more to the point raised, it is clear you understand your inference is unsupportable as rather than try to support it, you offer up a red herring.
     
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    http://www.snopes.com/2015/06/22/save-a-life-surrender-your-knife/
     
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    Yes, because confiscation of boot laces will effectively Control Criminal activities.
    Sure....
     
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    Pray tell how many firearm amnesties have the nation of Australia had since the Port Arthur incident?

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...e/news-story/8c170b6e4709d8bfc0a2e829fab5af19

    THE first national gun amnesty since the Port Arthur massacre 21 years ago will start from July amid enduring concerns over gun violence and relentless illegal imports.

    The Federal Government will grant a three-month amnesty in a bid to get about 260,000 illegal guns off the street – about one prohibited firearm to every 100 Australians.

    It comes as Australian Border Force is netting about 33 guns or firearm parts a week.

    A whopping 70 per cent of the 1750 undeclared imports in the past financial year were sent to Queensland. Most were detected in the international mail stream.

    Some gun nuts and criminals are importing silencers from the US and trying to escape law enforcement attention by labelling their airmail package as something else.

    Others are breaking down firearms into small parts and sending them through the mail in multiple consignments.

    Border Force, which operates a dedicated firearms intelligence team, has more than 40 active investigations relating to importation of firearms, parts and accessories.

    It can also be revealed the Government will this month try to reintroduce mandatory minimum sentences for gun traffickers.

    Justice Minister Michael Keenan told The Sunday Mail the amnesty, which would not include a buyback, would run until September 30.

    “This is the first Australia wide gun amnesty since 1996, when the Howard government took action following the devastation of the Port Arthur Massacre,’’ Mr Keenan said.

    “While there have been state-based amnesties over that time, it is time that we give every Australian another opportunity to hand in their unwanted firearms without fear of being prosecuted.

    “This is as much about giving family a chance to get rid of an old heirloom as it is about getting rid of guns off our streets.

    “One gun in the wrong hands can be deadly, and I expect this amnesty will haul many guns from across the country. I encourage Australians to take this opportunity, and help to make our country safer.

    “While our security and intelligence agencies do a phenomenal job detecting and intercepting guns, we have to create the greatest possible deterrent to illicit gun trafficking. A slap on the wrist won’t cut it. We have to make sure the punishment matches the crime.”

    Border Force Commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg said the volumes of international mail officers were seeing was huge.

    “But through intelligence sharing, X-ray technology and skilled officers, we are well placed to detect firearms,” he said.


    The border guards for the nation of Australia state that they are intercepting approximately thirty three firearms being smuggled into the nation every single week. How many are slipping through that are not being intercepted?
     
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    It is all about Political statements, Gun nuts attempting to smuggle in silencers from the U.S. ???

    Sounds like American English to me, also, Suppressors are strictly Regulated by NFA here in the U.S. and in U.K. not so much.

    Also, breaking up ( take apart ) a Firearm into parts may or may not help, if they are inspecting every parcel in the mails, it will slow the mails considerably.

    Australia has many clandestine Firearms factories being discovered every Day.

    Lol
     
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    Only if skinheads don't wear pants with pockets...with more shoelaces.
     
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    Pretty sure no suppressor manufacturer will just ship a suppressor to an address in Australia.
     
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    Fair point. Parallels cannot be drawn. The differences between our two countries are far too great to make such simplistic comparisons.
     
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    They aren't that difficult to DIY... pretty easy in fact... a flashlight and freezer plugs. And there are sites that will sell parts that can be finished easily.

    The hardest part is a threaded barrel and avoiding the need for a booster.
     
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    I not only know it is true but there is open documented evidence
    Mike Kemp/Blend Images/NewscomLast week the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit overturned a censorious Florida law that tried to stop doctors from pestering their patients about guns, sacrificing the First Amendment in the name of protecting the Second. Such laws, which the National Rifle Association supports, show how fake rights—in this case, an overbroad understanding of the right to armed self-defense—endanger real ones.
    http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/22/nra-backed-law-violates-the-first-amendm
     
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    One of the most popular sites for parts has been shut down by ATF recently. I'm looking to Form 1 a suppressor for my rifles that would by 1/4 the cost of an off the shelf version.
     
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    The key words for search are 'Solvent Trap'. They are legal to a point. It is also legal to build a suppressor if you do a Form 1a ... you must include a serial number that is permanently part of the suppressor and make sure you follow the rules (I.e., parts must be as submitted in you design when submitting Form 1a and some parts cannot be simply replaced or substituted). Lots sites describing the process. But there are Youtube videos on how to build one with C or D cell flashlights and freezer plugs...note, you must still comply with the law if you build one. There are places you can acquire thread adapters for some oil filters (also legal and found from many sources including EBay) but, again, the moment you use one to build a working suppressor, it is subject to the law and requires a Form1a.
    The problem with making one for a rifle, you have to be very careful, you are dealing with potentially dangerous pressures.
    Wait a few months ( getting paper back on a suppressor will take months anyway) and you my be able to acquire one at your gunshop without the Fed tax in the not distant future.

    http://americansuppressorassociation.com/blog/
     
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    I need the Form 1 also for the SBR. The problem in my state is that state law requires federal permission. It's possible that we'd still need NFA tax stamp for suppressors.
     
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    You apparently do not realize your source negates your point, where the court says the privacy act does -not- violate the 1st amendment:

    The court reiterated that the Privacy Act does not bar firearms questions when they are relevant, as in a “case of a suicidal patient.” And because the Privacy Act only regulates speech “as part of the practice of medicine,” which has always been “subject to reasonable licensing and regulation,” the Privacy Act “does not offend the First Amendment.”

    As such, the NRA did NOT back a law that violates a medical profession's right to free speech.
    Well done.

    And so:
    You know this is not true, so there's no need to address it further.
    But, more to the point raised, it is clear you understand your inference is unsupportable as rather than try to support it, you offer up a red herring.
     
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    The left wing loves to make outrageous accusations and then support them with sources that contradict their point.
     
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    If you spend some time looking under the skin of a Hollywood hypocrite, you will find that the issue and claims are not that straightforward or simple. Australia AFTER the gun confiscation, saw increase in:

    "Manslaughter, sexual assault, kidnapping, armed robbery, and unarmed robbery all saw peaks in the years following the ban, and most remain near or above pre-ban rates."

    The undeniable drop went from 1.6 to 1.1 after the 1996 Gun ban and removal,but is not that big a drop compared to what Happened in America after it reached a peak of 10.2 in 1980, when it dropped FIFTY Percent to around 4.7 rate by 2013.This despite a large increase in number of guns in circulation,AND the big increase in legal concealed carry permits from 1990 on wards. It is even legal to just carry one WITHOUT a permit needed in a couple states!

    Meanwhile...,

    The Australian Gun Ban Conceit

    September 3, 2015 By Stephen Gutowski

    Selected Excerpt:

    Murders and Suicides Didn’t ‘Plummet’
    The piece, along with many gun control advocates, cites a Harvard University study whose conclusion begins with this line: “It does not appear that the Australian experience with gun buybacks is fully replicable in the United States.” Not a great start for Vox’s angle, but I digress.

    The study doesn’t conclude that “murders and suicides plummeted” in Australia after the 1996 gun ban, as Vox claims in its headline. Instead, it focuses solely on firearm-related murders and suicides. In that category they found a marked decline (although, interestingly, it still makes up nearly 20 percent of all homicides nearly two decades after most guns were banned by the island nation)

    More in the LINK
     
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    That's a good one mate :lol: As if your pea-shooter is going to stand up to grenade launchers, artillery, armed helicopters, tanks, etc. Funny funny, funny!
     
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    Tell that to the folks in the North of Ireland
     
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    My so called "Pea Shooter" the same model I carried a Police Officer, has allowed me to stand up to Assailants on many occasions,
    In a combat situations, a so called "Pea Shooter" acts as the key of Rashalon, allowing you to service the Enemy, take over his heavy equipment and use it against him.

    Weak arguements are no match for seasoned reasoning.
     
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    Who cares? He's just another Hollywood celebrity. His comments aren't going to change a thing.
     
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    Hello DoctorWho! Nice to see you are back! :) Must have been a nice vacation!
     
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    Why would Trump attack Australia?
     
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    All right, well I think you should contact the Department of Defense and put your name in for a "Front Line" assignment. This is one of the weakest arguments out there, regarding the need for guns in society - assault weapons, etc. The very society that they claim to defend, is being threatened by the ease of access to firearms. Look at the stats for deaths by firearms in Great Britain, Japan and Poland; and compare those to the US. You'll find that you're 100-1000 times more likely to be killed by a firearm here.
     
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    You're 30% more likely to die of homicide or suicide in Japan than you are in the US.
     
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    You are being quite Ridiculous, society is not threatened by Firearms, it is threatened by People that care nothing about anyone, they are human garbage, preying on the weak and Defenseless, and doing whatever they feel like doing.

    I often saw men trolling Grand Central Station in NYC and the Grey Hound Bus terminal looking, for those Starry eyed kids fresh off the Bus from Ohio looking to break into show business, they would wine & dine them, get them on Heroin them turn them to Prostitution, these are very young, teens usually and their life expectancy a few Months at most.

    Sometimes these Pimps would even kidnap victims from small towns too, looking for a certain type or age group, for certain clients, these Monsters are real Sewer dwellers and only the a small segment of the Criminal Empire.

    Others are assorted cut purses, Muggers, common Murderers and assorted Psychopaths and Sociopaths that even the FBI and Police have trouble dealing with.

    Do you even understand anything beyond the Inane Gun grabbers Club Rant ???

    I think not.

    Gun Ban advocates seem to have one trait in common with Criminals, they both seem to care nothing about victims.
     
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