Mattis: US National Security No Longer Terrorism

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  1. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    Oh dear. You really need to get out of the basement kid.

    Sweden is still run by Swedes, no matter what the Daily Heil says. last time I checked they were much more worried about an invasion from Russia, which has actually practiced an invasion of Sweden recently. Given a choice between your perspective and that of the people who are actually elected to run Sweden no sane person would have any trouble making a choice.

    The issue here is not what 'radical Islam' is doing, but what the US DoD (you know, the thing Mattis runs) should do about it. Invading or bombing Sweden seems unlikely, so Mattis will have to focus on actual stuff he can do. When it comes to 'radical Islam' he is doing that, in Africa, the Middle East & Sth East Asia. Of course, being a big boy with an important job he can't focus monomanicially on stuff he read in the tabloids or saw online. He actually has to look at nations that might threaten US interests....like the nuclear armed nation with the fastest growing blue water navy in the world and a penchant for grabbing territory....or the nuclear armed nation that is in the habit of invading & threatening its neighbors, some of whom are US allies.

    I am very much for real. I have no idea what you are kiddo, but 'informed' ain't it.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well he's left it too late; he (the US military) should have nipped it in the bud when the disparate jihadist groups began attacking Syria, instead of which, guess what - he (again the US military - you personalised it) supported them! [​IMG] :wall:

    I might or might not be 'ill-informed', but I'm not naive like you, evidently.**

    ** Sweden is more afraid of Russia because that's what the Western narrative is, viz. divert attention from global jihad?
     
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  3. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know - frustrating isn't it, when somebody smarter trumps you every time? :cool: :roflol:
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find it interesting how frequently you sound like Russian trolls
    Russia has built up it's military on it's western border, invaded Crimea, wage a proxy war in Donbass, attempted a coup in Montenegro, waged an aggressive cyberwar and the Kremlin has close ties to organised crime, broken several treaty's and agreements (Minsk, Astana, Nuclear arms control) and they find NATO exercises provocative :roflol:
     
  5. bigfella

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    You are just rambling now kiddo....well more than usual.

    The US just helped drive ISIS out of a whole chunk of Syria and Iraq, is still engaged in Afghanistan and is doing other things in a bunch of other places. Mattis isn't responsible for the past, just his current job and he's shown himself to be no friend of Islam. Surely even you can understand that...surely.

    So Russia didn't do dummy bombing runs against Sweden in 2013? OK, my bad. You were probably still in Primary school. Well, it happened. Totally freaked out the Swedes. Not the first or last example of Russia returning to Cold War behaviors. There is a reason they & the Finns have been cozying up to NATO for years, and it isn't because the 'NWO' or 'Western narrative' scared them. Its because Russia did. Nations with long histories of neutrality don't just change that on a whim.

    That is also why so many E.European nations were pounding down NATO's door. They remember what it was like to be dominated by Russia & they saw how little time after the collapse of Communism it took Russia to start asserting its dominance over its neighbors. For some reason this doesn't matter to Kremlin apologists, who clearly have no interest in nations who want a more free, more democratic future.

    You seem to have missed all that. Perhaps it was before you can remember. Perhaps you just don't pay attention to anything outside your obsession with Islam. The idea that all these nations have been sucked into some 'false narrative' while you somehow know 'the truth' is so bizarre that it is only necessary to say it out loud so see that....for anyone with a functioning intellect.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We would love peace and cooperation with Russia.

    ...but thats 'collusion.'
     
  7. Striped Horse

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    As crazy as it is scary.
     
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    :roll: The whole point is, kiddo, that had the US gone into Syria at the outset, - you known like the Russians did? - the jihadists would never have got a foothold there would they?? As for the rest of your post - good try at dissembling and squirming; but I will say this for you - you have an exquisite style of insulting someone - one or two you hurled at me almost struck home. [​IMG] Now go and find someone to play with! Oh and give my regards to your cat. Don't forget now! [​IMG]
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I've been accused of being a Russian troll many times by those who suddenly realise they've backed the wrong horse.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    many times huh....well you know what they say about smoke and fire....
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well you see, it's because I make up my own mind from interpreting and analysing the facts before me instead of parroting the Western neuro-linguistic narrative on everything, and that's because I'm smart when it comes to politics. It doesn't win me any friends, but hey - I won't lose sleep over it.
     
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  12. Striped Horse

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    I think you'll need to point out the exact sentence/para you mean from page 4. I see in the document a recitation of US strategic policy as stated in my OP:

    Whereas the Wolfowitz Doctrine stated:

    Realising the arrogance of that first objective, it was substantially re-written and diluted for public consumption to this:

    So in fairness all I see in the summary is more of the latter and less of the former, featuring more sly spin and less blunt force.

    Having said this I'll note that the opening preamble under the caption Strategic Environment spells out the same old neocon tosh about the need to maintain US pre-eminence, a neoliberal one world (the "free and open international order") where any other nation that develops its economic and military is seen as rival nations etc.

    What I find about the document is its inherent white man attitude that the US are (obviously) the good guys justifiably doing the best it can in a world full of bad actors. I don't know where they find these people to write this spun nonsense, but they always seem to have cupboard loads of copywriters available to trot out and bleed these sentiments over undeserving and hitherto uncontaminated virgin paper.
     
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    Right, so you've totally ditched your claim that Mattis is some agent of the NWO trying to distract us from the 'march of Islam' in favor of re-litigating the war in Syria. Now THAT is dissembling & squirming. Sad thing is you aren't even that good at it. You really should meet my cat, she is better at arguing her case than you. Of course, she is probably older than you too.
     
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    Blimey, a talking cat? You've got a gold-mine there!
     
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    I did. I quoted the exact sentence in post #20.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    The author is General Mattis, and why don't you quote where it implies an "inherent white man attitude"?
     
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    I agree with mathis

    China, russia, north korea and iran are the biggest threat now - and maybe always have been
     
  18. Striped Horse

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    You're right. My error.

    It still sounds an awful lot like spin to me, especially when viewed from the prior comments in the preamble which I mentioned above.

    It reminds me a little of the falseness of the greeting "I come in peace" given by the alien Talec, in the 1990 film Dark Angel, followed immediately by Talec harvesting their endorphins after shooting the victims frontal lobe of their brain full of heroin.
     
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    Because it's the overall impression I have of this new, albeit old, repetition of US foreign policy.
     
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    On the other hand, you might just be susceptible to American media spin whilst also ignoring decades of American overseas "adventurism" (as enumerated very clearly in more recent times in the Wolfowitz Doctrine) by critically examining all the wars they have fought post WWII.

    We in the West are brought up on the notion that competition is good and healthy in business, but when it happens among nations it's an altogether different matter. They instantly become enemies that need to be regime changed.

    For example, Iran has not "always" been a threat to the US, especially after they overthrew Mossaddegh, and replaced him with the compliant US puppet, Pavlavi. Then they overthrew him when he became less compliant and replaced him with Khomeini. Rinse and repeat. Johnny Foreigner has a bloody nerve to think they have the sovereign right to determine what to do with the America's oil and gas that, by fate, was buried in their countries.
     
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    Well, we decimated the Rag Tag Army of Daesh. Not so much of them, with being in 70 other countries.

    Ooooh.....We are the global power.
     
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    Iran flirted with hitler during WWII and was occupied by British and societ forces to keep it out of the axis orbit

    On another topic I suggest a black liberal was stuck in 1955 on civil rights

    but in raisng Mossaddegh you have him beat by two years
     
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    Things are a lot different now, and the document discusses it.
     
  24. Striped Horse

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    Grammatically speaking I haven't.
     
  25. Striped Horse

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    I don't believe this is the case and I think this is borne out by the preamble in the document. For me it is a better spun refinement of Wolfowitz.

    However, I would be really delighted to be proved completely wrong.

    I'll let you know when the US starts the next war...
     

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