Maybe liberals on the forum can explain this to me and others

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  1. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget most jobs are part time and low income where underemployment is rampant where there is a lack of affordability concerning acquiring education.

    Even if you have an education you have to compete with foreigners concerning H1N1 foreign worker visas. The working class is decimated in wages having to compete with illegal immigrants that are being used to drive down wages.
     
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    As previously mentioned in order not to totally destroy the already poor exemptions would be required. And since the rich spend proportionally less on consumption than the middle class this type of tax is regressive unless of course you want to consider stocks and other financial instruments as consumption.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can't read....you win.
     
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    Just sheer nonsense. Are you really claiming people deliberatly choose to be poor?

    The biggest predictor of the class you end up in is the class you were born into. That is a fact. Guess being born poor makes you want to be poor according to you. Care to try and explain why?
     
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    Most poor people make personal choices that lead to poverty

    And then they settle into a life of welfare dependence
     
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    Which jealous insuts are you claiming I said?
     
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    Where do you get your figures? I see winter jackets you could pay up to and over $600 to keep warm. I am quite happy with a $100 dollar jacket. That is just a simple example. I keep it simple for you!:lol:
     
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    Can't actuall respond to my post can you! Just keep spouting the same nonsense.
     
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    I've always done high-tech product design. It has always been satisfying to go down to the factory floor and see streams of parts and assemblies that where once just ideas bouncing around in my head,
     
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    That is a typical liberal misconception

    The poor do not have to remain poor if they try not to be
     
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    Sorry you were "born poor"......guess you'll always be a victim. Seems you are resigned to that anyway. There are way too many examples that show that does not hold true for everyone else.
     
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    that is unless they have a loser mentality.
     
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    Foreign immigration does drive down wages though.
     
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    Most liberals confuse America with the Indian caste system

    America is great because anyone can make it here
     
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    Exactly

    A loser mindset drilled into them by liberal culture
     
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    You should stick to machines not politics
     
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    Anarchism never works, something always fills in the vacuum.
     
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    Yes, lack of money also to be sure.
     
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    As far as I know no such study has been able to get off the ground in any sort of serious way because it's politically incorrect and not politically convenient for national discourse.

    It is however clear to me however that both political parties of the United States favor cheap foreign labor.
     
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    Stupid reply. I am well above the top 10%. And I have no problem with leaving an inheritance but I do have a problem with the way inheritance is taxed using a stepped up basis. But I also admit I would have no problem with a more progressive inheritance tax.
     
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    One assumes given your statement that you have data on the background of corporate leaders and can supply it.
     
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    Not entirely true of everybody.

    I've been poor my entire life yet I am very ambitious constantly trying to better myself to advance in social mobility.
     
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    One easy source. Probably more specific data available from the Census if you care to do the research.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/how-high-income-and-low-income-americans-spend-their-money-2017-3

    Or this which you can obviously supports the much higher savings rate if the rich which of coures is the inverse of consumption.

    https://www.financialsamurai.com/the-average-savings-rates-by-income-wealth-class/
     
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    At best the children get SNAP or pubic education.

    The biggest problem with your post is that regardless of whether illegal aliens do or don't "get" anything...YOU...and anyone else...will get nothing different. Not one thin dime
     
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    Good parents are the best.

    Yes, assistance can be of great help.

    That said, big government has destroyed millions of families by displacing the family and creating a permanent underclass. Or as Democrats call them, their base.
     

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