McCain on pre-emptive strike on North Korea: 'We have to consider that option

I agree 100% these fear mongers are way way hysterical. If we strike it will be conventional and I bet 20 dollars to Dixie it will be aimed at the missile infrastructure. Then it will stop and Kim will play ball. Heck between us and China we might even be able to help NK and bring them out of the stone age.

2nd, this Russia taking down the missiles causing the failures is all Jeanette! trying to insert Russia into some sort of meaning into this fiasco as if it wasn't enough of a mess already. She's obsessed with pro Russian propaganda. It's amazing and I personally love it haha. Pure fantasies, nothing to support one iota of it. As IF we wouldn't know if Russia shot down those missiles. Haha. Whew too funny

 

Absolutely not true and you assume much. Trumps diplomacy is proven in that now very shortly after Xi from China visited him in Florida they've gone from their nationaly owned media questioning, berating, attacking Trump to literally ridiculing NK and calling for them to negotiate. THAT is undeniable. A fact.

Has any other President in your lifetime accomplished that?

So save that BS about him leaving it to his Generals. Any President worth a crap should rely on his Generals expertise once with all known information it's decided that a military action is needed.

 

Trump is renowned for his ignorance, almost distain, for the history of international relations. If there was ever a man in the oval office who was at the whim of his cabinet in that regard, it's Trump. This latest round of extortion on the part of NK is far from over, and any diplomatic action on China's part will be based on their own needs, not Trumps.

 

This is not a new war; no peace treaty was signed since the war began almost 70 years ago. It is appropriate to describe one who starts wars as a warmonger. McCain is simply discussing options to conduct a war already in progress.

 

Please, I beg you, do not tell me you mean the Cold War and mean that Union started it. >_<

 

In order for an attack to be pre-emptive, you actually need evidence that the enemy was going to attack.

We have no such evidence.

 

To say that Korea is a war in progress is just silly.
Technically you have a point, but in reality, no.

 

Only the economic bottom line of the defense contractors and the interests of international financiers matters. The Human Cost be damned and the cost to US citizens be damned.

The level of "fear" must be maintained. If the level of fear decreases the ignorant sheep may start questioning why they are trading in their individual rights and freedoms/liberty for security.

If the level of fear decreases the sheep will start focusing on domestic issues; such as their continued sodomization by the Oligopolies/Oligarchs that are putting this nation into a state of indentured servitude through creation of massive debt, tax law, regulation,anti competitive practices which bastardize the free market .. and so on.

And we can't have that. Big Brother would not approve.

 

Trump does have a problem with diplomacy, I expected so given his manner, that plain speaking, lack pf political correctness and such would clash with diplomatic protocol. He's invited Duterte, called the leader of Thailand's Junta, would be "honored" to meet "tough cookie" Kim... the diplomatic community is aghast!

On the other hand France, Britain, Japan and South Korea are rehearsing joint exercises, China signalling perhaps cooperation, this is an interesting development.

I don't subscribe to this lefty claim big corporations in the defense industry promote war to improve their sales, they do fine without this.

 

McStain is a neocon globalist whore

 

There has never been a country McCain has not wanted to have bombed.

 

You have the attack on Yeongpyeong Island, plus more than 2,140 other attacks by North Korea.

Technically, you're at war....


North Korea Declares 1953 War Truce Nullified

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/12/w...-has-nullified-1953-korean-war-armistice.html

 

Thread topic- McCain on pre-emptive strike on North Korea: 'We have to consider that option'
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Depends what type of strike McCain means.
For example a cruise missile/ drone blitz on some or all of Jong-uns nuclear installations will neuter him nicely.
In military terms it's a "target-rich environment"..-

 

Very astute and critical thinking observation. And it is beyond obvious, so transparent. Novels have been written about what you just said in the past, predicting a possible future. Well, these predictions became reality in such an uncanny way.

You are right, a level of fear must be maintained, and it is a well paved road to fascism, like oligarchy, and a national security state, where every citizen is monitored as in the Orwell novel. Ike could see the perpetual war for perpetual peace as a strong possibility, with his beware of the military industrial complex. JFK knew about these little secret societies of rich and powerful men, where great wealth was not enough, for they wanted power as well, over humanity, thinking of themselves as the only worthy men to rule. The economic changes over the last several decades have been devaluing work, labor, to enrich a few, as fear is used to distract a dumbed down population, with MSM being one of the tools. And our politicians have been complicit and enabling these changes, as in order for these power hungry little bastards to keep their positions of power they must give those big donors what they want in exchange for financing their campaigns.

It is embarrassing that so much of the population here are so easily duped, such easy marks for the confidence men. We are so divided over issues that are luxuries to even be concerned about, as the deep and important issues, are never touched, and they are literally issues that determine if we keep this republic or not. MSM blacks them out for it is controlled, even as we think Russia is the only nation who makes propaganda. LOL. We are living in something much worse than Orwell and Huxley were in fear of. And no one seems to notice for they are too busy fighting, one party against the other, as if americans are now enemies to one another. This is some sick **** going on, it is intentional, and people are just too stupid to notice. For if voters had a clue, they would vote out every bastard in congress except for perhaps Rand Paul, who is probably one of a few non treasonous sane people in DC.

NK does not want nukes to start a nuclear war with America. That is such nonsense, yet the dumbed down herd actually believes this. NK wants nukes to keep us from invading them, and conquering their nation. And we have made sure they remain paranoid by our actions every year like clockwork, to remind them we are practicing for that attack. For our action is hard evidence we are war mongers, we take down nations, justify it with lies, breaking international law, and our dumbed down herd thinks we are somehow entitled to be a rogue super power. We see ourselves as good people, but our words and actions are evil. But evil people never see themselves as evil. The Nazis didn't nor the Japanese. This is how evil is sustained. This nation of ours has "got it coming" and that karmic scale will balance sooner or later. You can take that to the bank. We are ruled over by sociopaths, lacking any moral center, and all that matters is more money, greater wealth for a few, and they will send the People to hell to get it. This is the truth, and it cannot be coherently negated. So the response, the defense will always be name calling, when something is impossible to defend rationally, logically, and morally. So hurl away, for it is all you have.

 

It would be against the Constitution of the United States for Trump to order an attack against North Korea, without the consent of Congress.

 

History does seem to be repeating itself. International financiers have learned the lessons of the past well - Orwell makes up some of the of the textbooks being used. Never read Animal farm but know 1984 quite well.

It amazes me that a nation that was founded on the basis of the rallying cry "Give me Liberty or Give me death" now cowers in fear, begging to give up that liberty for a little security. The nation that was founded on the principles of "Limited Gov't" now beg to live in a nanny state. The nation that was founded on the principle that individual rights and freedom were "Above" the authority of Gov't, now think that it is their "Patriotic Duty" to allow Gov't to walk all over these freedoms and that police powers should be further increased.

I like Rand Paul as well. One of the few who will speak against the Establishment (robber barons) who are turning this nation into one of indentured servitude.

I am mixed on what to do about NK but, it is monster of our own creation.

 

McCain is a blithering old war monger, who needs to be put out to pasture.

 

He's got an axe to grind, remember he was at Hanoi Hilton, hanging upside down, and getting lashes with bamboo stick!))

 

Bomb bomb bomb ...bomb bomb Iran



John McCain is a liberal nation building war hawk neocon RINO.

 

Who cares what McCain thinks or says..he is an idiot, and a pawn of the military and the military industrial corporations...total mindless, war criminal mentality

 

These retards are going to literally end the world, several billion years of life, gone. All so a bunch of conservatives can feel "tough."

We all need to remember our Shakespeare:

"Can honor set a broken leg? No. Or an arm? No. Can it make a wound stop hurting? No. Honor can’t perform surgery, then? No. What is honor? A word. What is in that word, “honor?” What is that “honor?” Air. Quite a bargain! Who has it? A guy who died last Wednesday. Does he feel it? No. Does he hear it? No. It can’t be detected, then? Right—not by the dead, anyway. But won’t it live with the living? No. Why? Slander won’t allow it. That’s why I don’t want any part of it. Honor is nothing more than a gravestone, and that concludes my Catechism"

Henry IV, Part 1, Act 5, Scene 1


Before false honor becomes the gravestone of all life

 

McCain isn't an idiot or a pawn of the military complex.

What he is, is an old Cold War warrior and who fell in love with the former liberal Democrat Party base (neo-cons) who came under the GOP tent during the 1970's. And like all liberals they believe in and advocate regime change and nation building and have no problem using any military including the U.S. military for nation building.

John McCain could have run for political office as a Democrat or as a Republican. He went smart and ran as a Republican. From day one McCain was known as a "Mustang," ... a rouge Republican member of Congress. For the politico layman, John McCain is a RINO.

 

McCain is an enemy of Trump so he'll get no mercy from me!
This is how it'd have gone if McCain had been elected President in '08-

AIDE- "Wake up Mr President, the Russians are coming across the Bering Strait!"
PRES McCAIN- "Huh..what..where the hell's that?"
AIDE- "Alaska sir"
PRES McCain- "Okay...er... scramble our Curtiss Jenny squadrons, order Custer to gallop north, tell the Monitor and Merrimac to put to sea, and get me Tsar Alexander on the hot line!"

 

They'll do better with a war though won't they?

 

This criticism of McCain is not intelligent, anyone can see a pre-emptive attack is within the US military capabilities and that if a DPRK attack was imminent This would be an option. Unless you think the threat from North Korea is not imminent, the option of a pre-emptive strike is a valid and sensible consideration.

What can be offered to show an attack from DPRK is not imminent? Can one cite words from Kim? Has he stated a peaceful intent? These missile and nuclear tests are for what purpose?