McCarthy withdraws. Boehner acts like a pro-establishment Repub.

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  1. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I'm serious. You've dodge my questions. Show me the evidence of compromise
    in any of the bills you listed.

    Oh, did you honestly read the link you listed? I think not. The title was very deceptive.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he is right, it will probably be a tea party nut...
     
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    I cannot seriously entertain your contention that compromise is not part and parcel part of the democratic process. MOD EDIT - Rule 3 Almost all legislation passed is passed by compromise.

    https://www.congress.gov/legislative-process/resolving-differences
    http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-rights-act/civil-rights-act-of-1964.html

    There are just two links one that explains the legislative process in general and how it relies on compromise and the history of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and how it was a compromise bill.

    Also the link titles are not deceptive. MOD EDIT - Rule 3. They debated and compromised over the Constitution for 4 months in Philadelphia. If compromise wasn't needed they would have been done in a week. The Monticello Society fully an openly admits that Jefferson, while claiming primary authorship of the DOI, was not the sole author. They also go into detail on compromises that were made in negotiating the passage of the DOI through compromise.

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    A Tea Party nut at least has common sense and know what needs to be done to fix
    the USA.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Another dodge. Look you can't provide evidence. The honestly believe that compromise is
    necessary is rubbish.

    You've made the claim of bills being compromised. Now it's time you provide supporting evidence.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    they think we need to destroy our government and make this country a theocracy....

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    Look I did provide evidence. You just pretend not to see it for whatever reason. You have no legs to stand on. Your contention is demonstrably false. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

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    Ye olde "we must destroy the village to save it." The kind of logic I have come to expect from that crowd.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    when Bush won his 2nd term, I thought ok, maybe it has to get worse before it gets better, surely the right would see the error of their ways, but I know think it's all part of their plan, the reason they hate Obama so much is he is trying his best to undo their damage, they want America to fail, when someone like John Boehner is called a RINO, you know the crazies on the right have taken over

    I think all the tax cuts for the rich they keep pushing is because they WANT America to go BK, they want to create a new Country with a new Constitution...

    I do not even think those that claim to be republicans see this yet, the republican party has been taken over...

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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Not true. Somebody is telling you a fib.

    They don't want to destroy the government. They want to make it smaller.

    I don't know where you're getting your information about wanting a theocracy. It's
    a lie.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah we know, kill jobs.... how many hundreds of thousands of government jobs to they want to destroy?
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    You haven't provided on shred of evidence.

    Here's my OP.
    Name one bill that was in the best interest of the US that was compromised. You've not named
    one but you have assumed. You've dodged each question with a red herring, i.e.the Constitution
    and Declaration of Independence.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Not true, the right want to create jobs by cutting personal income taxes. You know, the one
    thing that has worked every time since Harding. The other thing is to cut government
    spending. Didn't you learn anything from Clinton?

    And just what hundreds of thousands of government jobs do they claim to want to cut?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah cause if the rich get just a little richer they will trickle down on us.....
     
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    Because what is crap to you is gold to someone else, and vice versa.
    All you will get is the same do nothing gov't. And a crumbling America.
     
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    You don't think the Civil Rights Act of the Voting Rights Act were in the best interest of the U.S.?

    Again ALMOST EVERY LEGISLATION is the result of compromise. To suggest otherwise is to fundamentally misunderstand the legislative process.

    Also both the DOI and the Constitution were passed and/or ratified by legislative action so they would meet your broad criteria. Also I am not going to be subjected to your biased definition of legislation "in the best interest of the U.S." I could never meet that criteria because you could simply state any legislation that I bring up is not within the best interest. It is a dishonest debate tactic and is not worthy of proper discussion.

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    Boehner and McCarthy both understood the simple truth, that the Republicans are uncontrollable.

    Why? The Freedom Caucus. About 40 representatives. The Republicans can't get a majority without them, but the Freedom Caucus demands their way or the highway on every issue. Government shutdowns, regressive social polices, catastrophically unpopular policies of all sorts.

    If the rest of the Republicans ally with the Freedom Caucus, the nation will hate the Republicans. If they don't, the Freedom Caucus blocks everything. If they ally with Democrats to get something done, they're called traitors.

    So, the Speaker of the House ends up looking bad in every situation. It's now a career-destroying position. And everyone knows that, so nobody wants the job.
     
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    That type of person does not join GOP. They will have to be satisfied with a normal GOP mental ping pong loser.
     
  18. Prunepicker

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    It's worked every single time.

    I have an idea. Why don't you show us a time it didn't work. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

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    Which is why we don't need compromise.
     
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    You're still dodging the questions. Where is the evidence of compromise.

    Put up or shut up. Show us the compromise.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    There are many in the GOP who have a brain and a passion for the US. Unfortunately
    the worthless meddling moderates (there is no other kind and they aren't independent}
    manage to get the leadership positions.

    They could learn something from the 1994 revolution.
     
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    Bush tax cuts for the rich, they were in place for six years before the crash... they did not trickle down
     
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    No dodge...I gave you plenty of proof.

    That being said again the need for compromise in a democratic society is res ipsa loquitur. Only firebrands and people who fundamentally do not believe in the democratic process think otherwise. It is ok to admit that you don't believe in the principles this country was founded on. Everyone has their own opinions worthy of respect. I understand that you don't like representative democracy, I think it is sad, but I understand and accept it.
     
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    Yes they did. It wasn't until the Democrats took power in 2006 that they wouldn't do what
    was necessary to prevent the housing crash, which they were warned of many times.

    Tax cuts always works. Always.
     
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    MOD EDIT - Rule 5

    You can't name one single bill that was in the best interest of the US that used compromise.
    Not one single bill.
     
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    And when they don't the RW always has an excuse. Always.

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    Then why after cutting them did Reagan have to raise them?
     

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