McConnell delays vote on health care bill until after July 4 recess

Talk is cheap. Democrats never pay their fair share.

 

They don't have to lose the majority to need dem votes to pass something. We saw it happen under Boehner.

 

Gonna happen

 

Now, with the bill already being antisocial, with tax cuts for the rich funded by kicking 22 million to the curb, the reason why 5 of the 9 GOP Senators oppose it is because it isn't antisocial enough. Predictably, Cruz and Paul are among those.

So, just like in the House with the freedom caucus traitors, the Senate has the same problem of being held hostage by the ultra right-wing fringe of the party. What will happen next? Will Trump appease those extremists by throwing money at them, or kick some more Americans to the curb, most of the probably poor?

 

McConnell is probably going far away on his vacation, because if he goes home, how will he not have lots of pissed-off people waiting for him. I cannot believe that all of his constituents are so dumbed down that they don't see that he is telling them to drop dead.

 

If McConnell, Trump and Ryan really don't give a **** what is in that bill, and they don't care what pork they have to give out in bribes, it will pass.

 

Because they don't get to come in and create commotions and film themselves for youtube, that is how.

 

Most of them are that dumbed down, I am sorry to say. I now believe that capacity of the American voter to deny and ignore what is plainly in his face, is limitless.

 

Obamacare was such a disaster that the Republicans should take the time to get this as right as it can be. There is no law that says it has to be done in the first 6 months.

 

They have become a cult to stupidity.

 

Why do the Republicans have such a hard time agreeing with themselves on a healthcare bill?

Because there is a split within the party between those who want to help the poor as little as possible and those who do not want to help the poor at all.

 

I completely agree with your first sentence. I'm not so sure I'd bet my mortgage payment on your second sentence.

 

Because republicans don't fall in line when told, they actually feel they work for their constituents not for a party leader. That's why their conservative, duh.

 

Single payer is the only answer. The ONLY answer. For profit health care is a twisted ****ing mockery.

 

15 million of that 22 million are people who will choose not to purchase insurance, so not kicked off, not stripped, not losing, just forgoing due to no mandate. So it's 7 million. Leaving 3 million people who didn't have insurance before Obamacare, to now having insurance(Obamacare only got 10 million people signed up).

 

The war on doctors continues.

Government intrusion (read: non doctors diagnosing) into the doctor patient / doctor treatment relationship actually does harm.

Case in point: The opiate "crisis" was created by centralized planning and "problem solving". A regulatory cure in search of a problem. In the late 90's and ramping up to crescendo in the early 2000's the DEA began besting the drum that "doctors were over precribing pain medications and causing addiction." The DEA began monitoring doctors and penalizing them. Initially they went after obvious and flagrant "pill mills", rightly perhaps, but it didn't stop there. Ever tightening regulations, promulgated by non doctors mind you, began to seriously interfering with a primary care physician's ability to diagnose and treat pain. Mainly through fear and intimidation, combined with greater and greater reporting rules and statutory criminal sanctions. The states jumped on board creating ever more regulations, creating pharmacy regestry edicts, statutes limiting the amount of pain medication that can be prescribed (3 days worth in Vermont from an ER doctor, no exceptions).

Add to this mess the Treatment Industry, quackery at its finest. The Treatment Industry like the LEO / Prison industry, as it relates to opioid addiction and treatment, has become a cash cow for quasi educated. Both are dependant upon fear mongering, government contracts, dictated insurance coverage, greed, lobbyist and junk science.

Unintended consequences. When medical doctors, primary care physicians mostly, individually treated pain patients and those becoming dependant, addiction and overdoses were 1/4 or 300 - 400% less than today. Today we've, through government intrusion into medical care, seen Law Enforcement Officers and Agencies granted physician status dictating diagnosis and precribing appropriate care. Further, we have removed treatment for addiction from our primary care doctors and given it to alcohol - drug councilors and psychologists through lavishly funded programs of dubious efficacy.

Think about it.



Cheers

 

Why should we provide a massive tax cut to the wealthiest 1% just so we can return to the insurance rates pre-Obamacare?

 

I'm admittedly no fan of single payer, but I think every thing that happens concerning healthcare and insurance gets us one step closer to single payer. It's almost starting to become inevitable.

 

So the opiote crisis was causes by the government trying to stop doctors from listening to their pharma reps and not dispense opiates like candy........

Sure................................

 

Changing the subject? Edit: my post was how the 22 million number is really bs.

The numbers don't help you.

It will be a positive increase of 3 million people from before Obamacare rolled out.

Those 15 million people who will choose not to have insurance are not losing a thing. They are getting exactly what they want.

 

I'm not changing the subject. The CBO estimate is that insurance rates will return to pre-Obamacare numbers just so that the top 1% can obtain a massive tax cut. The 15 million are losing insurance coverage regardless of whether you think their choice is voluntary or not.

 

Sure you are. I didn't discuss a single thing about any of that. I made one comment, to no one, about the bs of the 22 million number.

Care to discuss that, or will you continue to change the subject to something you want to talk about instead?

 

IMO it is inevitable. I just think the Medical and insurance profession is going to fight tooth and nail to postpone it as long as possible, just too dam much money on the table.

 

I have made a discussion of it twice now. And specifically I said in the second post, "The 15 million are losing insurance coverage regardless of whether you think their choice is voluntary or not."

People very, very, VERY often make the choice that is contrary to their personal interest absent a governmental imposed incentive. Take seatbelts or car insurance as a couple of very basic examples. Absent the government imposed incentive, the rates at which people use seatbelts or purchase car insurance would be much, much lower and the overall impact to themselves and to society would be worse.

 

Well that's nice. I wasn't talking to anyone in particular, so you certainly weren't addressing me.

That they do. Doesn't mean it's not what they want. So the vast majority of these "losses" aren't even losses at all. Just people making their own choices.