McConnell vows to acquit Trump, even though the evidence has not even been presented.

No, I can't say I have. Has Trump done anything deserving of such recognition or praise?

 

no evidence of that. But keep hoping.

 

well actually the press and Democrats did praise his criminal law reforms. Not the press’s fault that that is about the only thing Trump has actually accomplished.

 

We were talking about Obama, not Clinton. But you are right, there was no legitimate reason to impeach Clinton. I haven't seen a hint of a love affair with Putin, only a desire to have peaceful relations with Russia. Can you please name an "institution" that he has dismantled?

 

It is looking increasingly convincing that Trump has managed to gain control over the Dept of Justice, & make it a new arm of Presidential power, under his own direct control. Historically, the DOJ is supposed to be politically neutral, so as to assure fairness in their work. Attorney General Barr is anything but politically neutral.

He has also managed to circumvent the State Dept by appointing & using Giuliani as his personal envoy to foreign countries, with the authority from him to manage foreign affairs outside the normal foreign service channels. Based on the testimony of Ambassador Taylor & possibly John Bolton, it appears that much of what he had Giuliani doing was illegal as well. Having a President that refuses to work with the existing governmental institutions, & even cast doubt on their honesty & loyalty for political reasons, is NOT the sign of a good President.

 

So you say.

 

Based on your post, I must assume you have a very low regard for our governmental institutions. I know they're not perfect. Few things connected with humans are. But many of them have dedicated public servants working there, who care about the quality of their personal work, & about the status & success of the nation they serve. To disregard them for their faults rather than working to find ways to fix those faults, is the choice that says you'd rather debase America than help make it better. I know that's Trump's way. I respectfully disagree.

 

You admit that you make an assumption, then build an image of me, based on that assumption. Then, you create generalizations.

I worked in government, albeit in an extremely small way. I worked in civil service. I worked in the Veterans Administration and as a civilian employee of the military. I've seen the good and bad. What I saw was mostly good. Far and away good. Even the vast majority of the local management were good people.

Nobody that I had contact with didn't rail against the high levels of bureaucracy. To some extent, we were all "The Resistance" against them. We tried to do our jobs, while making it look like we were satisfying their inane requirements.

It's just a fact of life that the upper levels don't know how to get the job done. Beyond that, there have always been those who have their own agendas. I don't doubt that there could be some upper level folk, especially in intelligence, who are corrupt as hell.

 

I don't dispute your points in your post, & I have no doubt examples could be easily found to support your points. I too worked in government agencies for almost two decades of my life, & found most of my co-workers highly capable & comfortable to work with. They too, found things to complain about on a daily basis. But overall, I feel there were more positives than negatives in that environment, which is why I don't agree with the current conservative trend to distrust, denigrate, & accuse our established government institutions of some kind of forever ongoing conspiracy to undermine society. I find this unfounded, unsubstantiated, extreme distrust of government to be personally uncomfortable, but also potentially dangerous to me & the nation. Those participating appear to be poorly informed, & harboring strong tendencies toward seeing & believing only the worst in others around them. I don't want to ever get stuck in that shallow mode of living, & I don't want it to be imposed on my country by them either. Trump is their champion, & our nations' foremost nightmare.

 

The structure of our government is based on the distrust of institutions. It's built in. We have three branches which are charged with keeping each of the others from abusing the powers of their offices.

Personally, I think that it's dangerous to place unwavering trust in any government official or body.

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I too am dismayed by the mindless attacks on ground level government workers. No one has been subjected to more unjustifiable abuse than officers tasked with enforcing immigration laws.

 

I hardly needed Mitch McConnell to tell me that the Senate will acquit.

I find it interesting, though, that you seem to have a problem with McConnell saying they'll acquit him before the Senate is ever presented evidence, but you seemingly had no problem with Democrats vowing to impeach him before they had any evidence.

Your is a profoundly hypocritical position to take...

 

The tide is shifting and McConnell if anything goes with the flow of money and power. If the public and donors shift he will as well....we shall see.

 

McConnell will never give the Democrats a "win" that big, especially following the Democrat's impeachment charade...

 

I guess you have not paid attention to my senator, he is a whore for power and money with little regard for anything else...if the cash and people move he does to.

 

Do you think Trump will be convicted in the Senate?

 

I do not know...the next couple months will tell.

 

Interesting...in the criminal justice system, that would disqualify you from sitting on the jury.

 

Do you understand what "impeachment" is?

Obviously not... Not wise to participate in a political forum when you don't understand what it is informed people are talking about.

Try to keep up.

BTW... proof that Trump is guilty has been available for quite some time, but... that might be for a later stage in your road to becoming informed. First you need to get acquainted with the basics.

 

What a stupid thing to say...

Guilty of...?

Right...

 

Have never heard McConnell say this. In fact I have left him messages that if the Den House doesn't take a vote for Impeachment inquiry, the Senate should vote to dismiss it and not have a Trial.

 

1. I agree to a degree. Our founding fathers were quite concerned about this issue, & tried to design checks & balances into the Constitution to help alleviate it. I think some distrust is healthy. I have it myself. But too much distrust is just as dangerous as having blind faith. Both extremes can & do lead to governmental abuses.
2. Is that what you & so many other Trump supporters are doing with Trump?
3. I am in complete agreement with your #3 above.

 

"2. Is that what you & so many other Trump supporters are doing with Trump?"

I can't speak for anyone else.

My distrust in the Democrat/media complex is well founded. After all of their smears against Reagan, G. W. Bush, and Trump; after their hoaxes against those three and others, they have proven themselves to be the enemies of truth. This is obvious.

 

Have you given any thought to how conservative Republicans treated Bill Clinton & Barack Obama? On Inauguration Day or the day after, in 2009, Mitch McConnell committed himself & his party to opposing everything Obama might try to do, from day one until he was replaced. Mitch McConnell kept his word. Obama became the first President during a State of the Union Speech in Congress, to be yelled at by a Republican member of Congress & called a "liar." When Obama tried having a friendly meeting with Republicans at the Capitol building, he was treated like a person carrying a deadly disease by Republicans there. Bill Clinton was impeached for having consensual sex in the White House & lying about it in an attempt to save his marriage. Yes, that was a bad thing to do, but it didn't endanger the nation. I've seen Trump do several things that actually endanger the nation. Trump is far worse than ANY Democrat President in my lifetime--even all of American history.

Our nation always fares better when members of Congress work together across the aisle, & along with the President, on issues where there is common ground. And, there's always common ground. I want to see both parties working together better, & less polarization across our political nation. Continuing to protect an undeserving Trump against all his unacceptable behaviors, just continues dividing the country. Trump must go, & then we need to rediscover the common ground shared by all Americans. It's there.

 

Wow, like your examples are in any way comparable to knowingly and intentionally perpetrating absurd hoaxes upon the American people.

From all appearances, your claim of belief in the concept that Congress serves the people best if they work with the President is false.

 

Except your examples are terribly wrong. There is plenty of evidence. Republicans just need to grow a pair, and stop acting like whiny little b1tches.