McConnell vows to acquit Trump, even though the evidence has not even been presented.

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    As a candidate, Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails. As President, Trump withheld military aid for Ukraine intended to help them resist Putin & Russian invasion of their country. Trump abandoned our Kurdish comrades in arms after ten years of friendship, & left them to their fate under the Truks & the Russians. Trump abandoned our military outposts in N Syria, & stated on TV that he was "OK with Russians moving in & occupying those abandoned outposts. Trump ignores the reasons the G8 removed Russia from membership because of their invasion & annexation of Crimea, & insists he wants Putin's Russia allowed back in regardless of their behavior. One of Putin's highest goals is to get rid of NATO. On several occasions, Trump has stated his openness toward leaving NATO. That would be a golden fleece gift for Putin. Speaker Pelosi told Trump to his face last week, that she felt with him, "all roads lead to Putin." I agree with Pelosi, & have concerns that Trump is so enthralled by Putin & other authoritarian rulers, that he's mindlessly aiding & abetting them with his Presidency. That makes Trump a national security risk, & that makes impeachment, conviction & removal from office a necessity.

    I used to think conservatives loved America too, but now they support everything Trump does--including everything I mentioned above. I no longer see their love of country in their statements or actions. I see blind lemmings following in locked footstep with their glorious authoritarian master, with never a thought about how that master is afflicting the values of America.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Have patience. It's coming. :)
     
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    No he didn't. (top to bottom)
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Unpleasant; & I remember that feeling & that treatment for 8 years under Obama. :(
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're posting a joke as evidence of a misdeed.

    And

    Obviously, we have seen that trump didn't abandon the Kurds.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    The really difficult part of communicating with conspiratorialists is their inability to see or work with the truth.
    1. At least three separate U.S. government agencies investigated the foreign influence in the 2016 election. All of them came to the same conclusion. The Russians were the most aggressive & active foreign influence, & the Russians worked to help Trump. You can choose to not believe all these officials if you want, but even if one was lying, not all were. They all came to the same conclusion. Additionally, Mueller came to that same conclusion after 2 years of investigation, & made a point of warning Congress & America again, that Russia was consistently active in its efforts to damage our democracy. I am amazed how Republicans, who used to be so strongly anti-Russian, are now so compliant with Trump's favoritism toward Putin & Russia.
    2. President Trump has written a letter to Congress stating his intention to ignore any & all subpoenas coming from Congressional committees involved in Presidential investigations. He has followed up with actions in compliance with that announcement. Such actions are the very definition of "obstructionist". The Constitution places the responsibility for oversight of the Executive branch to Congress. It is accomplished thru the power of impeachment. Any action that diverts, delays or stops Congressional oversight, is a form of obstructionism, & is itself an impeachable act. Trump not only obstructed the Mueller investigation, he's actively obstructing Congressional oversight investigations ongoing now.
    3. Whether Trump is personally racist or not, he has made public statements that endorse racist thought & actions.
    4. The vast majority of lies we see mixed in with politics today, came from Trump & his supporters.
    5. What hoax?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what parallel reality you exist in, but in mine, my post is accurate. I don't know what values you adhere to, if any, but Trump values only two things--money & himself. Your admiration for that is inexplicable within my values system.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    How did the previous hoaxes work out?

    Do you think that this latest hoax is the one that will go the other way?
     
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    Ask that from the Kurds. Trump abandoned the Kurds & the Ukrainians--& BOTH in favor of Putin & Russia.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    LOL! RUSSIA!

    Do you deny that Trump smacked Erdogan for attacking the Kurds? Do you deny that Trump intervened on behalf of the Kurds? Do you deny that you're full of crap?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    By regarding all this as a "hoax", you enable Trump to continue his misdeeds & weaken our Constitutional system.
     
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    Yes, I deny all three.
     
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    More hoaxes...
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    You should get out more.
     
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    It's less admiration for Trump, although I do appreciate what he has done for us, than recognizing your list of phony talking points for what it is. Either I'm not as dumb as you think I am or you aren't as smart.
     
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    It is not Trump that is abusing our Constitution.
     
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    Your mind is made up. I won't burden you with the facts.
     
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    I can see multiple ways Trump is damaging our government & assailing the Constitution. Who do you think is abusing the Constitution, & how?
     
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    1. What do you feel Trump has done for us
    2. What do you regard as my "phony" talking points?
    3. You may be right & I wrong; or, I may be right & you wrong; or, we may both be right; or, we may both be wrong; or, we may both be partly right or wrong. Life always makes room for new possibilities.
     
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    Nor hoaxes.
     
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    Trump has done his best to avoid a war with a NATO ally. Trump has done his best to keep us from the DNC cold war with Russia (that you guys so desperately want).

    Also, African American employment is skyrocketing which is great.

    What about him do you dislike? The fact that he beat your queen Hillary? Yep
     
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    The Democrats in Congress, specifically the House of Representatives. They are abusing the powers of their office by conducting show trials and producing illegitimate subpoenas aimed at undermining the separation of powers.

    The President doesn't serve at the pleasure of Congress, nor does he serve unnamed bureaucrats. He serves the electorate.
     
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    Well golly gee, it's a mystery ain't it?
     
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    1. I like hisf oriegn policy moves. tariffs challenging China to play fair, opening conversation with NK and it remains open between North and South to name a couple.
    2. Read your post this started with. All of it.
    3. That made my head hurt.
     
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    1. With what country? Turkey? Do you really feel Turkey would have been stupid enough to attack into Syria in regions where U.S. troops were on watch? Do you have faith in the American military equal to Trump's--so little, you feel simply handing Erdogan what he wants was the best solution to that situation? I, & most Americans disagree.
    2. I agree that having good relations with Putin & Russia are important goals that should be worked toward. But I don't agree it requires America to cowtow to Putin's demands. Trump made it clear early in the campaign that he liked & respected Putin. As President, he's proven it. Trump withheld funds approved by Congress for Ukraine to help resist an ongoing Russian invasion of their country. That aided Putin against our Ukrainian friends. Then Trump abandoned our Kurdish comrades in arms & left them to their fate against the Turks & Putins' Russians. To Trump, friends are expendable. America's greatest friends have been those in NATO since WWII. One of Putin's greatest goals is to disembowel NATO. Trump addressed the possibility of American withdrawal from NATO during his campaign. He re-stated it in 2018. If re-elected, it would surprise me if he remained a member of NATO. If he withdraws, that would be the greatest gift he could ever imagine for Putin. No, I don't want a return to the Cold War. But I want a genuine friendship with Russia based on mutual respect. And, there are ways of achieving that without caving on every issue, to an autocrat like Putin.
    3. African-American employment is up. Good. But are wages in those new jobs enough to live on? It's true, having a job is better than unemployment. But having to work two or three jobs simultaneously because none pay enough to live on is a bad compromise, & many new jobs these black workers are offered, pay too low to live on. No one should have to work for wages insufficient for survival.
    4. I'm a liberal Democrat, but in 2016, my first choice was Bernie. I was disappointed that Hillary got the nomination, but I voted for her because she was clearly a better choice than the troglodyte opposing her. What do I dislike about Trump? I dislike his arrogance; his ignorance; his conceit; his "I'm better than anyone else" attitude; his extreme selfishness; his lack of compassion; his aversion to truth & willingness to lie to get what he wants; his inability to value anyone as much as he values himself; his inability & unwillingness to work with others; his demand for total control & power; his distaste for our hallowed established institutions; his disregard for the environment; his refusal to acknowledge Global Warming along with his refusal to do anything at all about it; his complete inability to see any value in anything other than money; his unwillingness to see any value in any other person than himself; his total ignorance of & disregard for the Constitution he swore a sacred oath to preserve, protect & defend; his disregard & disrespect toward any treaties or agreements signed on to by the U.S. under his predecessors; his complete lack of compassion or caring for those injured or killed due to one of his decisions; his disparaging attitude toward women; his disparaging, demeaning & dismissive attitude toward our long-term international friends; and more--much, much more.
     

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