Medicaid increases by 10 million since ObamaCare rollout

Conveniently ignoring the fact that many beneficiaries don't pay at all. Why is that?

 

Probably borrow money. Just what the Bush Administration did to finance its wars.

Let's stop all these wars and foreign aid. Then you will have enough money.

 

If they can't sustain themselves, for at least what they demand as a minimum standard of living, and demand the rest of us subsidize them... That's a problem.

If the only requirement from you is somebody "works" to be entitled to a minimum standard of living which far exceeds other countries or our historical standard, I am closing my firms for tomorrow to open a lemonade stand part time.

 

More and more people on Medicaid. I don't know if that's a good thing.
Ideally it would be a good thing if so many people didn't need Medicaid in the first place... just a thought.

 

If companies paid better wages to its workers then they probably wouldn't need Medicaid.

 

Ok thee of little comprehension.
Here we go again.
Like I said... I'll play your little game of deflection.

Your policy -- the one you had in Q3 of 2013 did not meet minimum coverage standards.
Minimum standards were designed to protect you and the rest of the country.

How so, you ask?
Because, your insurance had coverage lapses that meant if you ever got really sick-- or perhaps even just needed to stay in a hospital -- your insurance would not cover you.

If you had expensive drugs and needed them everyday, your insurance may not cover you.
If you had one certain condition over another, your insurance may not cover you.
If your treatment was expensive (they all are) you could max out a daily, annual, or lifetime limit and your insurance would not pay the full bill.
The list goes on and on and on and on.

I posted this link 8.2 million pages back. You really should read it.
It's from Consumer Reports.
(Or are they part of the evil liberal media?)
Regardless, it explains how these policies came to be, and real life examples of how people screwed.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/03/junk-health-insurance/index.htm

But here's the real issue.
Where your own personal responsibility comes in.

When you can't afford to pay the bill, like millions of others, you will stick the hospital with the bill.
The rest of us -- who read our policies and took the time to understand the coverages so paid more -- end up paying the bill in higher costs.

So getting you to sign up for and pay for a policy that won't stick us ...... HUGE SUCCESS.

Welcome to the world of personal responsibility.
And to a place where you can see -- perhaps for the first time in your life -- that Health Care is EXPENSIVE in these United States.

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Why do you think they are trying to raise the minimum wage? Its so they no longer qualify for medicaid.

 

agreed

We need to separate health care from payroll. But the issue here is the health expense deductible for business.
It will take an overhaul of the US tax system to allow that to happen.
And that can't happen until we get private money totally out of elections.

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Classic Example of Cognitive Dissonance.
Dutch has been provided an answer. About seven times.
And the answer is quite logical.
But it does not fit into his ideologically driven world...
Thus... no one can answer his question.

I keep going because it's almost like passing a car wreck.
You know it's not right to look, but you can't help yourself.

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Didn't you know? Whatever the increase, you're supposed to use your salary to pay the difference. You pay yourself enough and can afford the increase. Why don't you do that? Liberals think that's all it takes. But I imagine they didn't read what you wrote because it involves numbers and thought and that's not how you run a business in Liberal land.

 

Not really familiar with US domestic politics. If the minimum wage is increased then the question is whether low-income families can still afford healthcare which I doubt.

 

Yep, when he called me a "slacker" and lectured me on personal responsibility because I am one who has always had insurance but lost my plan and now pay double for an obamacare plan without subsidies, I knew he was either a troll or was so useless in discussing any further, it wasn't worth my time.

 

I talk about the importance of medicare not because of some socialist ideal of collectivism.
I talk about it because I own businesses, am a capitalist through and through, and really enjoy profit.

I am sorry you can't think through economics on a macro-level, but that doesn't mean I haven't stopped and evaluated my positions.
I have a long, long list of what is wrong with Obama Care. And there's plenty. But those issues are even deeper and more complex that this issue of cost v benefit analysis of public assistance vs cost overrun absorption. If you can't get the concepts we're talking about here -- no way we can go there.

I find it hilarious that you accuse me of not evaluating my positions.
I post in depth, with substance, and offer as neutral examples as possible.
I arrived at these conclusion not by political affiliation, but through my business models.

Folks like you spout off some buzzwords -- usually socialism, collectivism, and free -- and feel like you contribute worth to a discussion.
Get real. You 're an ideologue with low information and a ton of buzz phrases.


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Well I'm sorry you don't get it.
But why do you think you lost your plan?
Because Obama hates you?

You lost your plan because it didn't meet minimum coverage standards.
And worse -- you didn't even realize it.
And it meant the rest of us picked up your slack.

Got news for ya.... THAT ain't conservative. That's ignorance.

Now your paying what the rest of the informed country has been paying fro 15 years.
About time.
Stop your whining.


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You are right, and increase in the mninimum wage would still put health care out of reach.
Think about that. How does that converge with picking oneself up by his/her bootstraps?
The system is broken.

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Perhaps these mythical liberals you talk about do. This centrist democrat believes the answer lies in the business model.
If one can't run a model that allows for profit and takes care of its human capital, then one shouldn't be in business.
I believe you and I both know that many are simply not cut out for it.
Just look at some of the logic in this thread lol.

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salary................after Dodd/Frank

you funny guy

I'm now taking checks again

 

simple, Obamacare subsidies, that's why we're hearing of these people who can cover then entire families for $30/month and think Obamacare is fan-tas-stic

 

Im not asking for you to explain to me all the beauty and benefits of Obamacare - that I can figure and did figure on my own. I'm asking why does Obamacare counts me as one of 8.2 millions new subscribers, if I always had insurance?

Has to be my English... Granted, it is not my first or even second language that I've learned, but iI thought I can express myself sufficiently enough for people to understand me...

 

Why does Obamacare counts me as a new subscriber, if I had insurance before Obamacare came to be, and I have insurance now that Obamacare made me buy new policy?

 

So how much extra are you paying for real insurance?

 

and if the will of society is that we SHOULD have some socialized form of health care, you'll get it whether you want it or not. Sucks being part of a democracy, doesn't it?

 

Simple. Raise taxes on the richest. They're getting double the share of the nation's income and wealth since the Reagan "trickle down" revolution.

 

About $100/ month more. This real insurance pays for my maternity needs, me being a man of advanced age, but no longer pays for out of network services which I had before.

And it was not a question I've asked, was it?

 

We are getting there, my friend, getting there. With newly minted 5mln eligible residents mostly being from South of the border, we are this much closer to be a real Banana Republic. Getting there...