Mexican president says the 'flow of migrants will continue' unless the US meets his demands

Really? So how does making the tens of millions of illegals here address the root cause and not incentivize them to come even more?

 

No the aid and the sanctions will help the cartels not the people. The cartels this piece of trash president has cozied up to and said that they shouldn't be demonized.

Thats what this ENTIRE thing is about. He is a cartel crony who got in as president with the backing of the cartels and he's trying to extort us out of billions of dollars to assist the cartels.

Let's assume we give them everything they ask for. Is the illegal immigration going to stop?

 

The money isn't for Mexico, so no it's not about his cartels.

I don't think illegal immigration ever stops - it's more about managing the amount of it. Would spending 20 billion to help the source countries do more than 20 billion to build a wall here? Yes.

 

That is not even close to an act of war. The demands aside, the USA must work with Mexico about the border, because it can get worse. What those terms are can be negotiated, it is the very definition of foreign policy.

 

He did make that list of demands when asked what it would take to curb immigration. Then was asked what will happen if the demands weren’t met he responded it will continue. He didn’t give those responses as if they were negotiable.

there are other options outside of his demands. For instance change our immigration laws to export all illegals immediately, and to not allow amnesty at all. That 20 billion would likely fund that very nicely. We could also give ranchers more power to defend their land. We could also allow states to strengthen their own borders. His options were phrased as demands.

 

It comes across as "If you do what I think needs to be done to fix our shared problem, then I will do more to help as well." Naturally he wants aid to go to the countries sending people through his country. He wants that to stop as well.

 

It doesn’t.

I support militarizing the southern border, hiring a ton of judges to process current amnesty claims and making all new amnesty to be processed at our embassy or other designated point outside our borders.

All items congress needs to do

But I don’t support lying about what the president of Mexico said to stoke tensions

 

I believe this is a translation problem. The way I read it: If the US wants the problem fixed, it has to deal with the root causes. Just pointing the finger at Mexico won't do it. Of course, most immigrant haters are not really interested in the root causes. Just like GWB was not really interested in the root causes of terrorism, but rather came up with the silly "they hate us for our freedom" meme to justify his war of agression.

 

It's the cartels who are trafficking the illegals to and across our border. I watched a show called Drugs Inc on National Geographic, and they interviewed some cartel leaders and the amount of money they admit to paying Mexican officials in bribes is incredible - tens of millions of dollars. You can bet the people receiving those bribes don't want it to end.

 

Hey why not? If he can use the leverage for the benefit of his country? Whose the fool, the one who makes the crazy demand or the one gives into it?

 

They want 20 billion every year, Trump wanted 20 billion for ONE year to build the wall. Building that wall and tightening up our border security is the better economic choice.

 

Actually this was not a translation issue. He could have easily phrased it in a negotiable manner. He didn’t for a reason. Those are the only fixes as he sees it. I’m glad Trump didn’t agree with him if those are his views. How in the hell would amnesty to illegals here help immigration? That’s the most moronic claim I have ever heard. And the 20 billion can have a middle finger as well. Today’s median home cost is less than 400k but let’s say it’s 400k. We could still give 50 thousand homeless citizens average homes a year for that cost. We don’t need to give them that money. And removing sanctions is a non starter for a country like Venezuela. They should know that.

 

So how does giving millions of illegals here already amnesty help address the root cause?

Don't worry. I'll wait.

 

Right. So if we don't give them legal access and yet we do everything else he asked for, the migrant caravans won't stop according to him right?

How is that not extortion?

 

I guess it's up to interpretation, but IMO he is saying that these are the things needed to be done to slow the flow of migrants.
Basically the Obama administration plan, that was slowly working, btw.
You are acting like it's a threat when I don't think it is, more like a prediction. Do you think Obrador has control over the migrants and is threatening to send them if we don't 'pay the price'?
I know you're smarter than that!

 

So again how does him demanding that we legalize tens of millions of illegals help curb the immigration problem?

No what he's doing is attempting to infiltrate our country. He wants us to legalize tens of millions of Hispanics and then he wants to be able to dictate to them how they should vote in order to influence our elections.

I'll be happy to source where he said he was going to start an information campaign to Hispanics in America for whom they should vote and not vote.

This cartel crony clown is trying to extort us on behalf of the cartels so they can make billions off of us and then make tens of millions of his people legal citizens here so that they can vote and impact our elections according to his and the cartels wishes.

 

No because the wall wouldn't work. Desperate people will find a way around it, or under it, with or without the help of criminals looking to exploit them.

 

So then the fence around Biden's residence and the White House should be taken down right? You know since they don't work

 

This is what's coming across our border.

Illegal immigrant allegedly kills Michigan woman in carjacking gone wrong

An illegal immigrant from Mexico has been accused of killing a 25-year-old Michigan woman in a drunken carjacking attempt — and is awaiting arraignment on an open murder charge, according to a report.

Ruby Garcia, 25, of Grand Rapids, was found dead with apparent gunshot wounds on the southbound lanes of US-131 about 11:40 p.m. Friday, Fox 17 reported.

Although Michigan State Police have not released information about a suspect in custody, he was identified by The Midwesterner as Brandon Ortiz-Vite, a 25-year-old illegal immigrant from Puebla, Mexico.
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He is expected to be arraigned on charges of homicide/open murder, carjacking, felony firearm, illegally carrying a concealed weapon, operating while intoxicated, and driving on a suspended or revoked license, according to records cited by the news outlet.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/26/us-ne...ills-michigan-woman-in-carjacking-gone-wrong/

 

Fences slowing down assailants or deterring burglars is pretty different from immigration. There is only one United States to go to, and whether people are desperate enough to uproot their life and take extraordinary measures to immigrate has more to do with how horrible the source country’s situation is.

 

I'm not sure I agree with your assertion. I would say a burglar in this country is more desperate. They know there's a real chance when they cross that threshold into someone's house that someone could blast their ass into a grave. The immigrants know that all they're going to get is food water and shelter when they get here.

I'd be willing to bet if we had a few sharpshooters on the border and the immigrants didn't know if someone was going to put a hole in their chest when they got to the border, we would have a lot less illegal immigrants. What do you think?

 

Imagine if we did a post every time a native born white male committed a violent crime, and used that to try to say things about native born white men…

Need properly applied and controlled stats if you’re trying to say something about immigrants in general, not anecdotes. Stats show they are less violent than natives, so they slightly reduce the violent crime rate if they have any effect at all.

 

Given what I know about deterrence in crime, they would have to perceive their odds of getting shot to be at least 30% to be deterred. That would be a lot of deaths and not accomplished by just a few shooters.

Here's some idea of where I come up with 30-33%, but this figure is far older than the more recent research Do Criminal Laws Deter Crime? Deterrence Theory in Criminal Justice: A Primer (mn.gov) :

"Changes in severity have little effect if offenders do not expect to caught

In addition, the severity of punishment only deters crime when the certainty of being caught and punished is high enough.39 In other words, severity of punishment, independent of the certainty of that punishment, is not associated with lower rates of crime.40 If an offender does not expect to be caught, the severity of the punishment does not factor into any decisions. Certainty Certainty of punishment is generally considered to be more important than the severity of that punishment.41 Indeed, studies suggest that the deterrent effect of certainty is far stronger than that of severity.42 In certainty, subjective certainty is more important than objective certainty.43 That is, an individual’s belief about whether punishment is likely is more important than the fact that punishment is, or is not, actually likely. That subjective belief can come from publicity, but more often comes either from personal experience or anecdotal information from others in the community.44 The first perception that individuals form tends to be unreasonably high.45 Individuals who commit offenses and successfully avoid punishment often increase their offending behaviors based, in part, on the belief that avoiding arrest once suggests that punishment remains unlikely.46 Perception of risk can also be influenced by substance use, the presence of peers, and other situations that influence a person’s emotional responses.47 Like severity, increasing the certainty of punishment appears to produce diminishing returns. There is evidence that the perceived probability of arrest must exceed 30 percent to have a meaningful deterrent effect, and that the deterrent effect increases until the perceived probability reaches about 70 percent. 48But a probability above 70 percent offers only slightly more deterrence than the 70 percent probability.49 As Becker noted, there is a balance to be found in certainty. 50 Raising the probability of arrest and conviction to 100 percent would involve significant social costs, including paying for a vast police force and surrendering individual privacy and liberty"

Given I don’t think they’re a big problem, other than perhaps too many of them at once, it seems unwarranted to me.

 

National Geographic probably edited out the cartel bosses answer to: 'How much did it take to bribe US officials?"

 

Pretty sure Laken Riley's parents would disagree with you. Oh but I'm sure you'll say that's anecdotal right?

Lemme guess, "they're not all violent criminals". Thats true but one of them is too much. However, they impact our country negatively in every way. They provide absolutely zero benefit to our country, even in the areas where it's claimed they do, such as agriculture. Everything becomes more expensive because of illegals.

It's called supply and demand. When you have tens of millions (if not a hundred million) of more people demanding goods and services, that causes the costs of goods and services to go up. So while they create a slight benefit in cheaper labor, that cheaper labor is offset by leaps and bounds by the fact that every product and service we create is more expensive due to decreased supply and increased demand. Every single product without exception.

They are a drain on our country and our economy and while not all of them are violent criminals, there are plenty of violent criminals coming over with them.

And for the record I'd just prefer we shut down the border completely from any immigration from South America. But if that doesn't work, putting up a wall and putting shooters every few miles will do the job as well.

What is it that you think they provide that makes them worth all of the trouble they bring?