Michigan Democrats win special elections, regain full control of state government

How many times do you need to be told?

I don't do your work for you.

If you can't substantiate your claim, then you're blowing smoke.

Okay, you're blowing smoke and we'll leave it there.

 

Just remember the reverse is also true I don't work for you, nor do I need your approval or agreement. I told you exactly how I got my info.

Just because I'm such a nice guy:

Here's a little gift. <- link

 

No, you do your work for you.

that's how it works, that's always been how it works.

Thank you, you could have done that a long time ago.

Here's a summary of your 'link':

In Hamtramck, Michigan, a Muslim-led city council recently banned the display of Pride flags on city property, causing dismay among liberal residents who initially celebrated the city's diversity. Tensions have risen as cultural values clash, leading to political battles. The ban reflects broader global challenges to LGBTQ+ rights. While some Muslim residents support the ban, others question its legality. The discord highlights the unique challenges faced by a liberal city under conservative Muslim leadership. Despite the differences, there is hope for peaceful coexistence in the diverse community.

The Muslim mayor isn't the first conservative dem that ever came down the pike, but if he's conservative, so damn conservative he'd ban the pride flag, he's no friend of democrats (Even manchin wouldn't have done that) which is why some liberals are claiming he 'betrayed' them. Methinks he, like Trump who became a repub to get elected, the Muslim major ran as a dem because he was in a liberal neighborhood.

Thing is, this was your initial argument:

But aren't many of those Dems also Muslim? From what I've read these are not garden variety libs.

The argument is simplistic. You also implied something like a 'koran' ideals take over in legislation

....have instituted some Koran-life changes

Koran-life changes? What does that even mean? DO you mean they are going to institute the koran in law? What are you saying?

So I did an AI search:

Question: Is there any evidence that muslims in Michigan are creating legislation based on koran beliefs?

Copilot:
There is no specific evidence that Muslims in Michigan are creating legislation based on Quranic beliefs.

The point is, how you search and how I search are different, and based on our searches, we come up with different conclusions, which is why the onus is on you to back up your claims, because I want to see if what you are looking at justifies your opinion, because what I'm looking at won't, so you can't ask me to do your work for you.

Capiche?

From your link:

While the situation in Hamtramck largely evolved on its own local dynamics, some outside rightwing agitators connected to national Republican groups have been pushing for the ban on Hamtramck’s social media pages and voiced support for it at Tuesday’s meeting. They are from nearby Dearborn where they were part of an effort last year to ban books with LGBTQ+ themes.


So, they are not 'garden variety libs' they are garden variety conservatives, whereup party affiliation isn't that relevant. And I'm not seeing the Koran infiltration here as you have implied.

Not only that, the OP is about the STATE GOVERMENT, not about the township of Hamtramck or townships, which is at the municipal level.

In short, your argument fails to support your argument which appears to be fear mongering something on the order of a 'koran' based take over. But, that's how right winger's roll, whatever boogeyman they can latch onto, they will.

Right?

I thought so.

 

I like the gist of your comment. I wrote an essay on some ideas I think is compatible with your comment, posted it a few years back (I don't remember you posting much?), see what you think:

http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/politics-of-the-center-what-is-it.585857/

 

. Wrong - you're a poster here just like the rest of us - you have no power or authority to dictate "how it is".

LOL, I just wanted to see how easy it was.

No specific . . ." Seriously?

No, actually it's the fact I search both sides, you search for what you can blame on conservatives

What part of 'you're not the boss" do you find difficult to comprehend?

Quick clue for the clueless - there are no liberal muslims. Their entire religion is authoritarian - your comments above highlight your lack of understanding of that point. Also understand me link was a single piece, not a comprehensive thesis. I just did the google search I recommended to you and took a link from the results.

 

No, you do your work for you. You can't ask anyone else to do YOUR WORK, for you. Of course I can't dictate. What, do I have to bring in Captain Obvious?

That doesn't change the fact, I don't do YOUR work for YOU

If you can't substantiate your claim, then you are blowing smoke.

No, you don't have to do anything, obviously, no can anyone tell you do to your work,

but one that YOU CAN'T DO is tell me to do YOUR WORK for YOU.

Capiche?

The point is NOT about 'how easy it is'. That's IRRELEVANT.

OH FFS, you're the one who wrote;

But aren't many of those Dems also Muslim? From what I've read these are not garden variety libs.

To say 'not garden variety libs' is to say they are libs, just not typical libs.

And now you are telling me they are not libs.

Make up your f*cking mind.

As for 'authoritarian', yeah, right.



https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...ristian-extremism-nationalism-violence-466034

 

I gave you one example in two minutes. Selected from thousands of hits on a simple google query. Should be simple for you to respond in kind. Maybe a picture of an Imam judging a drag show,?

My mind's made up. Unlike you I see democrat and republican as a complex mixture or beliefs and ideas -

You're spinning gibberish or displaying mass lack of understanding of the issue. Throwing in a vapid vid for good measure.

 

Irrelevant.

You make a claim, you back it up.

That's how it works, that's how it has always worked.

however 'easy' google is is IRRELEVANT.

I just told you this, and all you do is repeat your absurd nonsense.

I addressed your link, finally you got the point.

So, where is your rebuttal? You have no rebuttal whatsoever.

Fail.

 

Once again, you're a member of this forum. not a boss. supervisor. Half or more of what you offer is not created by you, but your little AI buddy. Ironically you miss the fact that I offered up one example of my assertion, which took less than two minutes to find, and your throw up your buffoonish AI assisted, word salad rebuttal - demonstrating PRECISELY why I choose not to waste much time with long lists of responses. The link I posted was NOT a rebuttal ; it was an example of the thesis I had made. The actual google result contained dozens of references.

 

Oh FFS, no one is 'the boss', I told you how it works. Who ever makes a claim, accuses, alleges, makes a claim of fact, the onus is on them to substantiate their claim.

I didn't make that up, it's not my 'edict' to you or anyone, it has been internet/BBS/Usenet etiquette for 50 years.

If you cannot back your claim up,. your blowing smoke.

And that's a fail.

Anyone can blow smoke, so who the f*ck cares?

Capiche?

 

And there you go, bossing.

I backed my claim. provided a sample of the data I used and pointed out where to find more. This is not an inquisition, it's a discussion/debate. I made a comment provided a sample of the data I used and told you where to find additional data.

 

I'm excited to see how much change will result from it.. I'm sure Detroit will florist once again, well soon as the fanfair of celebratory gun fire dies down.

 

It's clearly a leftist stronghold

 

Irony

 

You are right. MI no longer a swing state. It is now a reliable Blue state. With AZ abortion ban, AZ became another blue state. WI is the only state, which is stubbornly purple. GA on the other hand, more libs lives in Atlanta area then entire population of GA. Only thing preventing GA to turn Blue is these libs are not reliable voter. They voted in 2018, 2020 and 2022. We will see if they show up in 2024. If Atlanta libs show up in 2024, Trump can say goodbye to WH.

one state at a time, turning blue. by 2032 Republican will reside in southern USA.

 

I wrote this few days ago about Dearborn. I will write it again.

Post 9/11 many Arabs moved from Eastern US to MI. They found safe place in MI because Liberals/ LGBTQ/ Democrats and yes many Christian community welcomed them and gave them safe place. Today Dearborn, MI is the largest Arab community outside Middle East.

As these Muslims gain political power, they implementing small things like “ ban LGBTQ Flag”, tomorrow it might be something else. Just last week in one of their protest people screaming “ death to America”.

But here is the most surprising things. Liberals are complete silence. DEMS are complete silence. IF Dems/Liberals think, it is wrong for Conservatives ban gay parade and liberals protest against it , the same liberals should protest against Muslim banning LGBTQ flag.

But what I see from liberals is “ whataboutsim”.

They act as if speaking against Muslim is a taboo in liberalism. As someone spent years with Muslim, I know one simple thing – there is no such thing as moderate Muslims. Even the whisky drinking , pork eating non-practicing Muslim thinks every gay men should be stone to death. They can have that belief, just like Christians can have their belief. But when they try to implement one of their belief, liberals should speak up. Unfortunately, liberals ( in USA and rest of the west) thinks speaking against Muslims is taboo.