Migrant Caravans Head to U.S. Border in Early Test for Biden

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  1. Bow To The Robots

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    Wait, so you're suggesting we just go start building real estate in sovereign nations?
     
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    How much is that going to cost? How do we pay for it? How long will the families be detained together? The immigration courts have multiple-year backlogs as it is. Aren't there privacy concerns with mandatory DNA sampling?
     
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    I am all for the adopt an immigrant program. Those that have a genuine concern can bring some into their home and be responsible for them until they get their citizenship and get on their own feet.
     
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    much different when it's a respected journalist known for verifying their information and someone like Trump saying "people say" and having a long history of lying
     
  5. Pollycy

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    Read the post above and be sure to read Golem's signature 'statement' about what an accomplished 'researcher' he is. Then, re-read the post above.

    Where is there even the slightest particle of research to support anything in it...? What kind of 'research' supports shallow drivel like, "He is corrupt AND 300 thousand Americans dead"...? And yet there are people who actually believe this kind of unsupported crap....

    [​IMG]. "Hey, the stupider they are, the better it is for us!" :lol:
     
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    LOL, where do you find those?
     
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    Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
     
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    Source he had more illegal immigration?
     
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    https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO00/20200109/110349/HHRG-116-GO00-20200109-SD007.pdf
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...ad0e44-f057-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html
    https://americasvoice.org/press_rel...igration-and-a-liar-on-immigration-ad-claims/

    Not even the right wingnut media can support Trump's false claims to the contrary
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/04/...ercial-misleading-claim-immigration-half-cut/

    Ok... Now you have one of two options. You can either acknowledge that my research was correct, or you can rebut it by showing links or quotes or data or... something that contradicts my statement.

    Please do not omit doing one or the other.
     
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  10. Pollycy

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    Does anyone know yet exactly what kind of border protection Joe Biden intends to enforce?

    I know it's early in the process of filling 'the seats on the bus' of his new administration, but I'm hoping that somehow (SOMEHOW) Joe
    Biden will have more damned sense, decency, and love of THIS country than to just let mobs of tens of thousands of alien peasants crash the border like "Messiah" Obama did in 2014.

    Feel welcome to state you opinions in this thread. It was moved from "Current Events" yesterday, even though the caravans are reportedly forming (again) in Central America, and having been gathering participants since sometime in October.

    I keep looking for signs that maybe Joe Biden isn't as much an America-hating Leftist as many in the Democrat Party already are. But if he just throws the border open, or enacts a 'revolving-door' concept of deportation, like the Obama regime was infamous for, we're in for a hell of a lot of 'immigrant' trouble!
     
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    None of those support your claim that illegal immigration went up. Meaning, people actually crossing the border.
     
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    probably not on the media the far right watches
     
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    It's an internationally recognised 'standard'. If it didn't exist anyone could just go anywhere and demand asylum. The world would be in utter chaos.
     
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    No it isn't. It's your house when you're sharing a kitchen and bathroom with them.

    And how can you 'welcome Americans' into America. You seem VERY confused.
     
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    They cannot be 'hired' if they're illegal aliens, obviously.
     
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    The nearest SAFE port. Clearly, if you're in Iran .. America is not the nearest safe port.
     
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    What does American law have to do with citizens of other nations?
     
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    Ok. If you are going to ignore facts, I will ignore your questions from now on

    Trump has not come even close to cutting illegal immigration to half of the level he had inherited. ‘Overall, irregular migration is up since President Trump took office, not down,’ said Julia Gelatt, a senior policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute.

    … If you compare the average for the 2018 and 2019 fiscal years (the first years solely under Trump) and the average for the 2014, 2015 and 2016 fiscal years (solely under Obama), it is a 43% increase under Trump, Gelatt noted. ‘The number of people coming to the US border was at historic lows by the end of the Obama administration. Under President Trump, they increased to levels not seen since 2007, and only last month came back down to the monthly level seen at the end of the Obama administration,’ she said.
     
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    It is considerably more complicated than that. Illegal migration went up as the economy improved under Trump. However, that high rate was cut in half. Additionally, the illegal migration rate is based on apprehensions since they don't truly know how many crossed the border illegally and were not caught It is likely that the wall cut down on that number.
     
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    OK, let's take that at face value and have them all apply for GREEN CARDS! Let them do their work, earn their money legally, pay their U. S. taxes... AND THEN GO THE HELL HOME!

    Or, yes, they could apply for citizenship, too. We have lots of perfectly LEGAL ways for citizens of other countries to prosper in relationships with the United States! Why doesn't that ever occur to the Democrat Party or its 'advocacy groups', like the ACLU...?
     
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    That would be nice. And the way it used to work. But somewhere along the way, the system got messed up. And it became difficult to get green cards. It became difficult to go back home and come back again.

    The country screwed up the migrant system.
     
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    From your article:

    (Note: There are technically no statistics for those who cross the border illegally, but apprehensions by CBP are used to measure such trends.)
     
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    He stated during the campaign that he intends to stop all deportations for the first 100 days of the Harris Administration.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about?

    I doubt even you know what you're talking about.
     
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    If that were true, one would expect deportations to go up. In any case, you are focusing on a passing comment. I think it's great that Trump didn't deport as many immigrants as Obama. Maybe not so great that he lied to his supporters about it, though. But hey... if you're going to lie to somebody by telling them what they want to hear, no better group than Trump supporters.
     
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