Mike Flynn Moving To Withdraw Guilty Plea. Here's Why.

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  1. AFM

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    Exactly. I think they would work well in rural areas where satellite sites of successful urban private schools could be established.
     
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    Sessions is staying quite so Trump doesn't go on anouther twitter tantrum cause his wittle ego got hurt again
     
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    The reason they'll have difficulties in a rural area is a school that was not middle-of-the-road in terms of the community would anger those who objected to the school's approach. A satellite of an urban or suburban school might be too liberal for many communities. There are ways around these sorts of problems, but it isn't as simple as letting schools compete.
     
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    Market forces would take care of that.
     
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    Donald Trump has promised improved internet access to rural areas which could provide more opportunities for homeschooling, an option and a growing trend many families in rural areas don't always share.
     
  6. truth and justice

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    Is that going to be another to add to the list of failed promises to the gullibles? Who is going to pay for improved access?
     
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    Another one of your predictions? Going by pass history I should bet against you. I'd have a sure thing :)
     
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    Withholding exculpatory evidence is prosecutorial misconduct and the very words "exculpatory evidence" means not guilty. Flynn was brow beat into a confession to avoid financial ruin of him and his son and Mueller has been discredited and ultimately could be disbarred for this. Flynn will definitely get a conviction reversal.

    "The sanction for failing to disclose exculpatory evidence "where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment" (cf: Brady, a finding of fact by an appellate judge) is reversal of the verdict with prejudice, along with any statutory rights that a prisoner freed by an appellate court has for compensation. Further, the prosecutor themselves would face disciplinary action within the prosecutor's office and through the Bar which licenses their practice".
     
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    You are presupposing that most Trumpbots are educated.

    Fact is...they are not.

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-white-uneducated-voters-voting-trump-515368

    Most Trumpbots are (apparently) nothing but bitter, old, ignorant, 'white' men who want America to be like it was in the 1950's...the domain of 'white' males...AND NO ONE ELSE.

    They are of no long term consequence. They will be dead in a decade or two and America can get on with life after the death of the 'white' supremacy movement in America.
    Then America can slowly become what it should/needs to be - a true melting pot where no 'race' or gender dominates.


    Trump represents the last hurrah of this ridiculous group.
    But - like him - they will mostly all be dead relatively soon.
    Just smile and nod at them as they pass into history.


    BTW - I am a 'white' male.

    And no you ignorant Trumpbots - I do not 'hate' my 'race' or my sex. I just don't take any pride in them either.
     
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    Thanks for the article: good stuff.
     
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    No, I don't think so. If the community is only large enough for a small high school, a liberal school might choose not to have a football team and spend more money instead on music and art subject, or it might charge more because it has a monopoly.
     
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    Thread summary:

    Trump backers, driven by hysterical panic and sheer desperation, fell hard for yet another loopy conspiracy theory. It wasn't the first time, and won't be the last.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...piracy-theory-michael-flynn-about-to-go-free/
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    Short answer: nope. Judge Emmet Sullivan, it turns out, issues a standing order to produce exculpatory evidence for every case brought before him. When he took over the Flynn case, he accidentally issued an old version of the order:
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    Oops.

    The Trump backers will now spin that into a new conspiracy, somehow. They always do. My guess it that, after screaming repeatedly that it's so totally unfair to attack a source, they'll attack the source. After all, Trump backers naturally gravitate towards hypocrisy. It's the nature of the beast.

    What the Trump backers here won't do is admit they were played again, even though everyone knows that's exactly what happened. It would take honestly and emotional maturity to admit something like that, and if someone possesses such qualities, they're immune to Trump-cult Alinskyite propaganda in the first place.
     
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    You can already get satellite internet that's fast enough for an interactive classroom experience.
     
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    I was a little surprised by his post. You can get satellite internet in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
     
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    It's a great development for Americans living in remote areas. Rural schools can offer courses over the internet they can't offer on their own, either because they don't have enough students who want the subject or the small staff don't have the expertise.
     
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    Could be, it's a simple explanation, plausible and worth considering.

    Nonetheless I've read that the Judge only started issuing these orders to government prosecutors about exculpatory evidence sharing after he explosively condemned the government prosecutor's failure to do so in the case against an Alaskan Senator charged with corruption. Judge Sullivan's rant on the record of the prosecution's malfeasance manifests his views clearly. So this order of his may not be a standard pro forma boilerplate cautionary admonition.

    It also has been noted the judge issued his order on his own initiative, that Flynn or his counsel didn't complain about difficulties obtaining exculpatory evidence, a judge shouldn't naturally presume the prosecution would conceal exculpatory evidence, the judge knows the prosecution has to abide by the law and the law requires such evidence be shared with the accused, why would Judge Sullivan think Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence from Flynn? It could be that the judge issued his order because he simply had just received the case (he got it when Judge Contreras recused himself) and Sullivan wanted to be sure the prosecution received the same admonition he required in all cases ever since that Alaskan Senator.

    Some find it strange Judge Sullivan would issue this order after Flynn had pleaded guilty, well he couldn't do so before since he got the case after Flynn copped the plea, but this obviates the futility of the judge's order. Presumably Flynn is cooperating with the prosecution as they 'investigate' Trump's collusion with Russia, this presumes Mueller is advancing in his pursuit of justice aided by a cooperative witness, by issuing this order the judge jeopardizes this arrangement, Flynn might become less cooperative if Mueller then has to provide him with additional materials that make him look innocent and were never mentioned when negotiating his plea.

    The modification of the order could have been to include some inadvertent omission in the original one, but why was it also issued sua sponte? Could the judge have noticed some exculpatory evidence in the prosecution's filings that he thinks was not shared and this induced the modified order? The change in the order relates to evidence obtained by the prosecution after the plea, this would be something the judge would have anticipated and should have included at the time he issued the first order since he's dealing with an ongoing investigation. Did Mueller's motion to withhold newly obtained evidence with sensitive intelligence, just 2 days before trigger Sullivan's revised order?
     
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    Obviously...Mueller really....really.... REALLY wants to get Manafort to flip. This is federal tax evasion...but Mueller has the state crimes waiting in the wings....in case the Orange Clown waves his magic wand and pardons Manafort. Trump better hold those pardons off to use for his son and son in law. A pardon of one of these sleeve bags would be political suicide.....GO FOR IT DONALD!
     
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    Read the news. You are either blind or out of touch.

    My permission does not matter if China, Russia, Israel, USA, Germany, etc., meddle in other nations politics. The fact is they do meddle, nations have always meddled in other nations politics since the dawn of civilization. They will continue to meddle. obuma was one of the worst meddlers.

    Anyone who thinks that the Russians suddenly took an interest in the last election because they wanted Trump to win is naïve.
     
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    Anyone who thinks this judge "accidently" did something in a case this big in the public eye and the political arena is desperate and grasping at straws.
     
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    The final symptom of a dying culture is the breakdown of law and order. We are watching this in real time. Innocent civilians being convicted. Government officials exempt from the laws that they pass. Stay tuned. Things are about to get interesting.
     
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    "desperate and grasping at straws"? :roflol:

    That is a PERFECT Description of anybody that is taking this "Flynn is going to withdraw his plea" BS seriously.

    Flynn ISN'T going to withdraw his plea.

    Not a chance.

    Some people (wallowing in the RW BS Factory) need come up for air (and face reality).
     
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    Yes. Hillary gets a complete pass and Cheryl/Huma get immunity from everything plus are allowed to shred their laptops. Also the federal judiciary are now legislating by issuing rulings based on nothing but politics. Right now that’s the most serious threat to the Republic.
     
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    Uh huh. You're the guy who referred to Uranium One as "Uranium 1."

    Psst. You're overplaying your hand.
     
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