~ MOD ALERT ~ Why is Pro-Life seen as Anti-Woman?

A sperm or an egg is not human life on the same level as a late-term fetus.

 

You've created an interesting thread topic.

Since you are kind of in the middle, would it be too much to ask for you to share some of your thoughts on the responses?

Personally, I've always taken the allegations of misogyny as a sign of my opponent's (be they male or female) weakness.

I'm a father of a daughter. My wife is a woman. I've lived my entire live trying to do things that would have made my mother proud of me. (She died when I was a baby). My Grandmothers were awesome women in each their own way. I was essentially raised by my father's five sisters who would testify to how much I respect and women and even put some of them ahead of myself.

Tell my Step Mother (one woman who I actually did despise at one time).... tell her how much of a misogynist I am - after I care for her while she was fighting a brain tumor for five years and having to clean her, dress her put her on an off her commode, etc.

Tell it to my wife's family as I now have to do pretty much the same for their sister who has a brain injury that resulted from a heart attach.

They will tell you that my actions speak louder than your words.

(not your words personally AM)

 

personal anecdote aren't really evidence for or against.

 

The desire to legally limit women's choices means one believes women are not capable of making good choices themselves. It assumes women will choose abortion for frivolous reasons without any evidence of that. The assumption that women will choose abortion for frivolous reasons requires a "re-labeling" of the reasons women do choose abortion, for example, "re-labeling" financial reasons as "convenience."

 

It assumes that, most of the time when women choose abortions, it is the wrong choice.

 

No, it's just that you BELIEVE it's the wrong choice. 90% of women believe they made the right choice.

 

Pro-Life is not seen as Anti-Woman but Anti-Abortion is.

A person can be Pro-Life/Pro-Choice which is Pro-Women but the Anti-Abortionist cannot be Pro-Choice and that is Anti-Women

 

What's the difference between being pro-life and anti-abortion?

 

If you (or any other pro-abort) is going to accuse me personally of being a misogynist you are going to have to weigh your allegations against the reality and actual way that I have treated the actual women in my life.

 

I have never accused you personally of being misogynist, the legislation you support is misogynist in my opinion, that does not mean you are .. just like being pro-choice does not automatically mean being pro-abortion, yet we are accused of that often enough.

 

Well the onus is on either side to support their allegations.

Pro-abortion has a clear definition that (oddly enough) pro-aborts want to pretend doesn't exist.

Misogyny has a clear definition too and if you think you can prove that any legislation that I support comes from a hatred for or a distrust of women? The onus is on you to support that allegation.

 

As does anti--abortion yet most pro-lifers don't like that label either.

also interestingly so does pro--choice

Personally I find the difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion as follows -

Pro-abortion: Liking abortion
Pro-choice: Realizing that abortion is sometimes necessary, and should be an option that isn't forced onto or removed from others.

and as you know I prefer to use the Oxford dictionary for my definitions - that is not to say that the ones you use are incorrect, I just find other dictionaries tend to not be so complete on definitions.

misogyny

so as you can see from the definition I use that the word "hate" is not used and in my opinion most pro-lifers have a prejudice against women purely because they have the right to decide how their body should be used, I believe that the proposed legislation you support are prejudiced against women.

 

I am not prejudiced against women, and im pro-life.

 

You may not be (that is still debatable) but the legislation you want to enforce is.

 

WOW! Protecting innocent children from irresponsible mothers who want to harm them for convenience reasons is being prejudiced against women.

 

If that's your definition, then yes.

 

I was being sarcastic. lol.

Honestly. I am pro-life, and I DONT HATE WOMEN! I am a nice person, and I am not prejudiced against anybody based upon their gender, religion, race, ethnicity, etc.

 

what you consider to be a mere inconvenience does not mean the people involved do, and by your usage of such words as "irresponsible" only goes further to show the prejudice involved.

 

Cop-out. You have consistently characterized women who have aborted as irresponsible, selfishly acting out of convenience, and sluts. You even defended someone for calling them "trash."

 

They are trash. Anybody that harms an innocent child is trash, regardless of their gender. I don't see any actual evidence that I am prejudiced against women. Stop being so judgmental, please. I don't hate women.

 

You are being judged on the words you use to describe women that don't adhere to your ideology.

Using words such as "slut" and "trash" are derogatory .. you don't like it when people say your are religiously motivated or a zealot, you claim these terms are incorrect .. yet you feel it is justified to describe some woman as sluts and trash, what gives you the right to judge them and not be judged yourself?

do you judge them by their actions based on your own moral standpoint, if so then you are being judged by your actions (words) in the same way.

 

The fact that you are willing to forcefully subject women to a continued pregnancy and childbirth even at the risk of their health and lives, permanent body damage, and an unwanted life altering experience is not just a prejudice against women, it is disdain for them.

 

I am motivated by a respect for the lives of innocent children. I have no disdain for women. You are being so judgmental.

 

You are judging me by my actions, but you aren't judging me in the right way. I believe that anybody (man or woman), who has their innocent child harmed, is trash. I don't differentiate between the genders. So how am I being sexist?

 

Anti-abortion laws don't save "innocent children." They only increase the maternal death rate. And what are you doing to save the lives of actual children who die every year from starvation, gun accidents, pollution, and preventable diseases?''