MOD WARNING<<<Dismantle multiculturalism?

So you are advocating apartheid? Not just "back of the bus" but "get off my friggin' bus ...".
Does that sum up your approach?

 

Here's my approach:

https://thuleanperspective.com/2013/07/31/why-odalism/

 

Number of cases of Ebola deaths in US = 2 ... ever.
Number of cases of home grown bacterial infections in US resulting in death = 23,000 per year.

Just to put perspective on your post.

 

So you would never drive on a road built by people with cultural identity other than your own, or buy products manufactured or grown by people of other cultures out of respect for their independent culture. You would never take advantage of tax money from other cultures. If a new medicine or medical procedure is developed by other cultures, you would never use it. You would never use resource from other cultures, because that would be depriving that other culture of it's use.

Ok.

 

Irrelevant to my point.

 

Not sure where you got any of this, but ok.

 

Just wanted to make sure you wouldn't take advantage of other cultures or their resources in your utopia. You know, not accept any of the costs but expect benefits.

Is that right?

 

Your point seemed to be a fear of other cultures - I was just putting that fear into perspective.

 

Diversity+Proximity=Balkanisation.

 

It depends on the cultural precepts of the peoples involved. Americans have a wide conception of what it means to be "American."

There are obviously social problems stemming from diversity in close proximity, but they can be undercut and eventually eradicated. The Catholic-Protestant divide was once the source of endless bloodshed, it's now practically benign.

 

I never suggested the various people's couldn't work together or trade with each other, so I don't see how your point is relevant.

 

My point was that "multiculturalism" and a globalized world is potentially very harmful. Ask the Native Americans that you pine over so much.

 

Well - you seem to want the BENEFITS of a multicultural society - you just don't want to pay any of the costs of having a multicultural society.
Just trying to get a handle on your utopian view of your little enclave.

 

What "benefits" are you specifically talking about? Building roads? That's something that we need multiculturalism for? How did homogenous populations manage to build roads for their entire existence until just the past 50-100 years or so?

 

America is a very young nation, and the melting pot worked only whit people of the same race: Europeans, mostly of German extraction.

Again, Protestants and Catholics are Christians. You can "melt" into one nation, if you are of the same race and if your religions are compatible.

America, as we knew it, does not exist any more, and the same can be said about Europe.
Be prepared for a Balkanisation, that could have been avoided, if our politicians cared about the interests of their voters.

 

How did they build roads? Mostly with slave or cheap labor from people other cultures ofter using material mined from other cultures. So who's going to be cheap labor in your utopia?

 

I can't imagine why you think that race is so important.

What matters is culture, and people of different races can share a culture.

More importantly, what matters is that the conception of "American" is sufficiently robust to absorb a larger number of cultures.

Let's go back to the race matter. White Europeans of practically similar genetic ancestry have slaughtered one another for differences in language or slight differences in religion. I see no reason that race, in itself, poses a problem. What causes the problem is certain cultural precepts about race, and yes, that is a problem that the US has. But it's a problem that is solvable, and will be solved, by keeping the robust conception of "American."

Racial divisions, like the Protestant-Catholic divide, can be solved.

 

That's a point that many people do not understand. They act like having a British person alongside a German alongside a Scandinavian is an example of "multiculturalism", when in reality, these groups are all descended from the same tribes of Europeans. They are all the same race, they worshiped the same Gods, they had very similar customs and traditions, etc. The borders of European countries never existed until relatively recently. The Indo European languages are all very similar to each other, sharing many of the same words. So having European immigrants to the US was no big deal because these groups have a long, long history of shared experiences and culture, and they were able to blend together, like they did in Europe back when they belonged to nomadic tribes.

 

Awesome quote.

 

What's it matter? Albanians and Serbians are closely genetically related. Would you argue that Yugoslavia was not a multicultural project?

 

Human civilizations built their own roads for the majority of their existence.

 

That's a fair point. The effects of the 3 Middle Eastern desert religions over Europe (and the world) did successfully change cultures enough to cause these types of divisions.

 

So are we able to agree that these problems are based in cultural differences, and not racial ones?

EDIT: It's also worth noting that the relations among old Europeans pagans weren't exactly brotherly.

 

BS.
The autobahns, that are still in use in Germany, were built by Germans.
If non-European labour was used to bild an infrastructure, then in former European colonies, an these countries are still profiting from this infrastructure, build under the guidance of Europeans.

In fact, many African nations have not built anything since their independence, they still use what was built under the leadership of European engineers.



This Chinese man does not have any pro-European bias. He just tells the truth.

Even if what you said was true (it is not), there is no need of any cheap labour in today Western High-Tech countries.
If a low-IQ-cheep labour could have been used to carry stones to build roads in former European colonies, today you need educated high-IQ workers that can program and control high tech equipment.

 

Not really. There's no real historical examples of different races living amongst each other and all sharing the same culture. Race is important because humans evolved to live in tribes with people who were very similar to themselves. Even infants express a preference for people who are the same race as their parents, and an aversion to other races. It's an instinct we develop naturally. Living in civilizations and being surrounded by strangers all around you who look, sound, and act nothing like you is a relatively recent thing.

No it's not, that's why black Americans act nothing like Mexican Americans who act nothing like Asian Americans who act nothing like white Americans.

They never slaughtered one another because of language. And they didn't start killing each other because of religion until Christianity started taking over by force.

They never have been in history, and it's utopian to the extreme to believe in what you believe. It's very progressive, and I bet you oppose all other forms of progressivism. Sorry, but human nature triumphs over ideology.