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Then it is their own fault for knowingly becoming inebriated to such a point, that they attempt to forcefully break down a locked door.

Just as a state of inebriation is no excuse for murder, sexual assault, or illegally operating a motor vehicle, it is no excuse for other criminal behavior such as attempted breaking and entering.

 

See the response below. So I should surrender the tactical advantage because I feel sorry for some drunk trying to break down my door?

 

It's a tradeoff between tactical advantage and legal advantage. Everyone has to make their own choice.

 

Yes you should

 

Why should I?

 

Because the same argument could be made if he was screaming on the street in front of your house. He is not a threat to you until he is in the house.....then shoot away

 

And you know this just how? Bullets go both ways and he/she might not be alone. In fact it might be a feint. Allowing penetration into your home is a huge tactical mistake.

 

Then shoot him in the street for threatening to come in your house. And then explain that to the judge

 

I'm not going to shoot him on the street, but I would shoot him through the door if he was trying to break it down. A guy with a gun trying to get through the door in my state represents a threat to my life. Case closed.

 

Your call. Take it up with the judge

 

Location has nothing to do with defending yourself against imminent threat of death or great bodily harm in the majority of states.

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Depending on the influencing factors...but OK, given my judgement I think I would.

 

So then you could shoot him in the street if he is threatening you?

 

Won't even get that far in my state. Also since I live in rural america, you're automatically trespassing if you're uninvited.

 

describe threatening you....first you need to understand what imminent threat of death or great bodily harm is then we can have a quality discussion.

 

I am quite clear on what constitutees imminent threat. Being behind a locked door does not qualify as is my point

 

It's what on the other side of the door that counts.

 

He better be carrying a weapon and threatening to kill you....otherwise you have no case

 

I have every case in the world. I have livestock and any intruder is trespassing. Plus I would be in fear of my of life. Then, no one on a grand jury where I live will vote to indict me and the DA wouldn't dream of charging me.

 

Well I disagree and your comment indicates you don't understand what imminent threat actually constitutes. Also you could use a lesson in influencing factors.
However you have failed at this point to describe "threatening you" this would help tremendously in this discussion. Are you being overly broad on purpose or do you lack the understanding of what self defense means?

 

Well that comment lacks an understanding of what imminent threat of death or great bodily harm means and greatly lacks a depth of knowledge of how influencing factors can allow an escalation of use of force or deadly force even against an UNARMED assailant.

 

Here I'll help a bit. An armed 70 year old man facing an unarmed 25 year old muscle bound thug threatening to pound his kidneys into mush constitutes a danger of great bodily harm that would be a significant change in the 70 year olds life style and hence because of the influencing factors of age and size difference it would allow the 70 year old to escalate his use of force to include using deadly force.
By your reckoning the 70 year old would just have to become dependent on dialysis for the rest of his life because the thug didn't have a gun.

You anti-gun folks just don't care about the victims do you?

 

No it's not. Just trying to break down the door is intent. His huge mistake.

 

Until he does you have no case. NO ONE can hurt you while that door is locked.

 

Case? What case are you talking about? In my state all I have to say is I was in fear of my life. Even B&E is a felony and I can respond with deadly force. You have no idea of what you're talking about. None.

 

No you must have a REASONABLE case of fear for your life. It is not a blanket exemption