More Americans and most Republicans now believe in climate change

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Seals and polar bears are both members of a complex web of life here on Earth. Every life form fills an important piece of that web, and there's a powerful & destructive ripple effect whenever one species becomes extinct. Today, Mankind is the greatest cause of animal extinction on the planet. Global warming will only magnify that dismal fact even more, since it's cause by Man too. Diversity is a positive force in life on a planet. Anything that damages or reduces that diversity has a potent but negative impact on every living thing. Mankind is not a positive force for life or diversity right now. There are individuals and a few organizations committed to changing this bleak reality, but they aren't in positions of power, and are having far too small an impact overall to change the path we're on. Our whole world will suffer as a consequence--including ourselves. The truly sad part of all this is that we have the power to make those changes--have had for several decades--but our political leaders refuse to listen or participate in a cure. Future generations will suffer in ways we can hardly imagine because of our inaction. That makes me sad.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    If our lifestyle includes powerful forces that destroy our planet or life living there, then there's something wrong with our lifestyle, and we need to change it into a more positive force for all concerned. We have the power to do that right now. Our children & grandchildren may not. Is preserving a lifestyle that is so destructive globally more important than leaving our descendants a world capable of supporting life? We must decide both as a country and as a species. Our offspring will live with our choices.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You enjoy vicious bears, I do not. Seals do not.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also, we can transport the polar bears to the Antarctic. Plenty of seals and ice there.
     
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    I had no idea as a child or as an adult, that then nobody mentioned global climate, that this nation would spawn such a fearful group as to think they control climate.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with our lifestyle other than a pack of lies told by people who produce nothing
     
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    Perhaps you can explain the growing polar bear populations? Did you forget to include those in the north part of Russia?
     
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    It blows the mind, until you realize that the thickness of the atmosphere in relation to the diameter of the earth is about equivalent to the thickness of the skin of an apple to the entire fruit. Industry & cars combined, have expelled sufficient toxins into that air to dramatically change it's chemical makeup--enough to cause global warming artificially. One way to help you recognize the impact of man on the planet is to go to the internet & look up night images of Earth from space. Man-made lights make the continents stand out against the dark oceans. For every light, there are acres of land controlled by man for his uses--and the lights offer a living example of the extent of that control. Man has become a global force of destruction equal to nature itself. That's why we need international institutions capable of working across national boundaries to deal with global warming. One nation simply isn't capable of dealing with global problems alone--no matter how wealthy.
     
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    The secret no one wants to admit is that this is simply graft. Extortion via proxy to fill the coffers. Goldman Sachs hatched this why should we not recognize them for the contribution here? Tax until the population crumbles, changes their behaviors, modifies their liberties, all in the name of filling the coffers of the so very few. It just baffles me to watch folks who otherwise cry, stomp, and temper tantrum their way through the day about the evils of corporate greed giving this one a pass..... The nice lady who runs the UNIPCC has said it. She "demands" the world to fundamentally alter our economies, to induce DEEP Transformation". Well, that sounds nice, huh.... Shackles delivered to the fearful and the meek. And we've seen this movie over and over in history.
     
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    There are so many things wrong with your post I lack the time or energy to address them. But I sense that even if I tried, nothing I said would penetrate the closed mind that wrote it. Like everyone everywhere, you are entitled to your opinion.
     
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    When did you take charge of climate? When did you accept responsibility?
     
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    Clearly in your mind you are in charge of climate.

    So for the rest of us, can you specify what you do to change climate back to how you want it to be? What will it be like? I am seeking not the gas, but the climate you want to have. Perhaps you have an optimum temperature, rainfall or snowfall.
     
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    Environmentalists are living off the backs of the rest of us while telling tje producers to produce less
     
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    I accepted responsibility just after 2001, when it first became public knowledge that we (Mankind) were responsible for global warming. It's a sign of maturity to accept responsibility for ones behaviors, and how they impact others. I accept that human behaviors are gradually impacting the health of our planet in a destructive way, and I do advocate for changing our attitude & behaviors in such a way as to address & fix this problem.
     
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    Conservatives live in a world where money and ownership & control are everything. I live in a world with more things to value and enjoy than I can count. Money, ownership & power are narrow windows on a much more diverse, exciting, wondrous world. I like my wider view. I wish you the best in yours. :)
     
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    So you talk. Or perhaps write.

    I don't see how that fixes what you did, but I shall leave you explain how it fixed things.
     
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    You have no idea what you are talking about

    Conservatives are not stick figure fat cats smoking cigars in corporate bosrdromms 100 floors above the street

    Increasingly its liberals who are disconnected from the realities of life because they live in an irory tower of academia, or have a do-nothing governement job employed for life
     
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    Believing in the natural cycles of Global Warming is one thing.

    Believing man has this enormous impact is another

    Believing any of the solutions brought forward by Kyoto or Paris would have any impact is for morons.

    Knowing this is being used as a re-distribution of wealth from America to the Globalists choice countries and own pockets is for real thinkers.
     
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    You excluded FREEDOM. Control is what we want you and others to retain. We reject we control you while rejecting you control us. Money is necessary. Want a good way to gain money? Work for it and do good things. Power is not to be yours. We don't want it or need it. We believe we have plenty to do to manage our own lives. See the laws made by Democrats if you want to nail those truly wanting to rule over your life. To help you, check just since 1933 who has ran the law making part of the USA Government since 1933.

    Also note what Democrats constantly claim. They claim republicans want to cancel laws and remove them.

    When we get blamed, it is not for a new law, it is that we removed laws.

     
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    We all agree climate changes......progressives just use that fact to scare and promote more government power.
     
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    It hasn't. Mankind is still living in ways that destroy the Earth as a byproduct. I advocate
    Actually, a career in government is an honorable, productive and often valuable service to others profession. I think your derision is undeserved.
     
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    Yes, you conservatives DO get blamed for removing laws. But the laws you're so anxious to remove were put in place to PROTECT important parts of our lives, like the floundering wildlife, or safety features on cars or toys, or enforcement of safety laws that protect our family workers, or the laws that make sure the food we eat doesn't have toxins in them (for our safety again); or the laws that make sure our drinking water or the water we boat or swim in isn't infected with deadly disease organisms, etc. Trump has already killed many of these laws for the duration of his tenure, but should I be happy about that? Only if I'm as heartless & uncaring about myself, my family or my neighbors as Trump is.
     
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    No, roughly 36% of Republicans disagree that the climate is even changing.

    By and large they reject that scientific conclusions (that the climate is changing dangerously and because of human influence) specifically because they do not like the policy implications required to fix the problem.
     
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    Since the freaky freakies are still defending their failed flat earth so called "scientists" I'll ask the question again:

    I have at least 13 FAILED predictions from these cultist scarlet letter climate kooks that failed MISERABLY.

    Can any of you true believers despite multiple failures name a SINGLE long term prediction any of these morons ever made that came true with evidence?

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    It just blows my mind how many still worship at the Golden Calf altar of flat earth science and no matter how many times they fail, the followers keep coming back.
     
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