More Holes in Russia-gate Narrative

So you do not care if a foreign enemy has it's claws into and is influencing staff members, advisors, and family members of the POTUS. ? Unlike Trump apologists I really believe in America first and I will not stand for an enemy any enemy hurting or even attempting to hurt the country that I swore to protect. I swore to protectvthe Constitution twice, when I joined the USAF and before that when I swore allegiance to the US as I became a US citizen. It appears to me that for Trump apologists
Defending America and our Constitution are just empty words mouthed during a Trump rally.

 

Although it's a mystery why you are pushing the "Deep State" meme even though you have no idea what it is. Then you suggest I use Google to find out what it is. When I questioned why you didn't use Google yourself, your reply indicates you don't know how to do so. Interesting, but also sad.

As the Wiki link points out, the term primarily exists among conspiracy theorists, whom I've found to be mostly mentally ill.

 

By 'his', you mean Obama's.

 

Thanks for the link. Primarily it talks about national security agencies, presumably the NSA, which President Bush then Obama and Congress empowered post-9/11. A mistake IMHO, but a majority of Americans were scared and spineless enough to give up "essential liberties for security".

It mostly notes that the meme is in the realm of conspiracy theorists; a favorite psychological topic of mine.

http://www.newsweek.com/deep-state-conspiracy-theory-trump-645376
....The concept of a shadowy government elite manipulating events behind the scenes has a long history in the U.S. among both left- and right-wing conspiracy theorists, even if the use of the term deep state is more recent.

“‘Deep state’ has become very popular as of late, largely because of Trump, but in terms in which it is used by conspiracy theorists it has been bubbling to the surface for some time now,” explained Joseph Uscinski, Political Science Professor in the University of Miami College of Arts and Sciences. “The concept has always been very popular among conspiracy theorists, whether they call it a deep state or something else.”

He pointed to the 1991 conspiracy thriller JFK by left-wing director Oliver Stone, which depicts a cabal of shadowy officials as the puppet masters behind President Kennedy’s 1963 assassination. “Oliver Stone doesn’t call it the deep state, but the concept is clear,” Uscinski remarked. Indeed for decades academic Peter Dale Scott has been writing books that claim to expose America’s deep state, with his 1993 book Deep Politics and the Death of JFK praised by Stone.

The idea of a conspiring elite at the heart of the U.S. government has grown in popularity on the right. For years, websites including Breitbart and Alex Jones’s Infowars have alleged a conspiracy by a deep state political elite determined to disenfranchise ordinary Americans.

Trump courted this conspiratorial right-wing fringe on his road to the White House. He infamously propagated the “birther” theory about former president Barack Obama while preparing for his presidential bid, and appointed Breitbart CEO Bannon as his chief strategist once he achieved power. During his presidential campaign, then reality-TV star Trump propelled to the limelight concepts previously relegated to conspiracy forums in the darkest corners of the internet, Musgrave told Newsweek.

“Trump’s governing style has tended to rely more on public expositions of conspiracy theory than presidents in this or the last century have done by a country mile,” Musgave added.

Among supporters, the deep state conspiracy has been popular. “It turns out that this term deep state is like catnip for conspiracy theorists,” said Musgrave. “Over the last several months, it changed from being a term used by people to analyze and maybe softly to advocate for the kind of dynamics Trump should face in his relationship with the national security establishment to being a catchall term, with anything that goes wrong blamed on the deep state.”...

Veterans of previous administrations have been alarmed at the use of the term by Trump and his defenders.

“‘Deep state’ I would never use,” Michael Hayden, who served as CIA director under the Obama and George W. Bush administrations, told MSNBC in March. “That’s a phrase we’ve used for Turkey and other countries like that, but not the American republic.”

 

Link? Any links to Jared's guilt? Or just rumor and gossip?

 

When Watergate erupted like a pimple in Nixon's face Clinton and his girlfriend Hillary were in law school. So about the only thing that Clinton pardoned was himself for burping after eating at Pepe's pizza near the Yale campus. Are you confused, a foreigner, or just not knowledgeable at all about American history? Just to educate you Clinton was not POTUS during Watergate Nixon was. You very likely may be confusing reality with myths and lies. Clinton and Hillary were accused of something regarding Whitewater but there was no need for a gubernatorial pardon by Clinton because there was no crime committed. You did know that that right? Did you just decide to fart out or repeat lies and nonsense or are you hopelessly ignorant of American history?

 

Looks like the Obama admin brought it here.

 

Wait until the investigation is complete and we will see.

 

Just show the american people something in writing please I beg of you. My lord give us something we want to believe you. Not any wait and see BS.

 

My mistake; I meant Whitewater, not Watergate. Got my Water-related scandals mixed up.

Please continue with your thoughts about Bill pardoning those close to him on the Whitewater scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy#Convictions
Convictions
The Clintons were never charged with any crime. Fifteen other persons were convicted of more than 40 crimes, including Jim Guy Tucker, who was removed from office.[44]

• Jim Guy Tucker: Governor of Arkansas at the time, removed from office (fraud, 3 counts)
• John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker (tax evasion)
• William J. Marks, Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker's business partner (conspiracy)
• Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide (conspiracy to misapply funds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
• Webster Hubbell: Clinton political supporter; U.S. Associate Attorney General; Rose Law Firm partner (embezzlement, fraud)
• Jim McDougal: banker, Clinton political supporter: (18 felonies, varied)
• Susan McDougal: Clinton political supporter (multiple frauds). Bill Clinton pardoned.
• David Hale: banker, self-proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
• Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
• Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud). Bill Clinton pardoned.
• Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
• Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
• John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
• Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
• Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant (bribery)

 

Translation: You are correct, Max. It's just rumor for now, but I'm betting Jr and Jared are going to jail.

I bet not. $25 donation to the forum neither of them go to jail?

 

9/11 and the Patriot Act came long before Obama. He, and a Republican Congress, rubber-stamped it's continuance.

 

Barack Obama is not going to be touched, except his legacy.

 

The problem with the "insider job" theory is that we now know for a fact that Russians were reaching out to the Trump campaign offering dirt on Clinton.

 

Allegedly!!!

 

Don't worry - the Clintons may finally be held to account.

 

O snizzap!

 

If you can't believe the CIA when it poo-poos the Deep State, who can you believe?

And only a crazy person can't see that it was HER time!

 

I hate to defend Max after he was so hurtful & all, but he was referring to what he calls the CLINTON's Watergate, not actual Watergate.

Now I have to go kiss my giraffe.

 

So you think they got to Mueller?

 

Oh, I have no idea about Mueller. The stuff I'm talking about predates his involvement. I'm talking about Russians reaching out to Trump Junior (along with Kushner and Manafort) and Papadopoulos offering dirt on Clinton. Although I guess the scenarios aren't mutually exclusive. An insider could have leaked the info to the Russians.

 

Oh right - oppo research.

 

I can see how people speak about "the Deep State" without even knowing what it is can quickly find themselves neck deep in giraffe doo-doo.

 

The first rule of Deep State Club is there is no Deep State.