Moskovia has saved!!!: Thousands join pro- and anti-Putin protests

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  1. raymondo

    raymondo Banned

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    Why do you use that word?
    If you bothered to read more widely , you would see that I have as much detail knowledge about most areas on the planet .
    If you think I have personal anxiety , you are badly mistaken . I just think that Russia is essentially a toilet and I feel very sorry for those who are treated as serfs .
     
  2. Potap

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    Did you see move?
     
  3. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    how old are you? this so old school paid propaganda. question: you are not an oligarch, so why do you support those basters? we lost not because you´ve been so good, but because of our magnates were as egoistic as your oligarch are
     
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    Ray. It's just opposite. Russia takes out own dollars from Fed of the U.S. and puts those dirty money into Europe

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    Russian reserves of U.S. debt

    Medvedev: Russia ready to help EU with "necessary financial means"=>http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2011-12/16/c_131309195.htm
     
  5. Potap

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    Thanks for your care of my freedom from Putin's dictatorship and oligarchical oppression. I did not expect from you other reaction. Because for all "friends of Russia" everything that more or less concerns to Russian patriotism and saving the country are basters and actors of course. While liberal - comprador fifth column are good guys of course, as everyone knows in what way they lead Russia. I'll ask you the same question. How old are you? Do you really think I'll believe you so much care of Russian democracy’s future?
     
  6. raymondo

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    I'm not 100% sure I understood your point , but when you say that" Russia takes out own dollars from the Federal Reserve " , I guess you mean :-
    One investment action Russia CHOOSES to make , is to buy US Treasury Bills , and these investments are just one class of investment among a broad portfolio of transactions and investments that Russia makes . And this is the same across the world , by every trading country of any significance .
    Such investment is not primarily made to help the US .It is Russia's view of one way to increase its long term wealth .The loans require Interest to be paid at a defined level and over a specified time --- for Russia's benefit and profit if they CHOOSE to lend .
    Thereafter , it matters nothing whether the US chooses to spend that borrowed money on its military , health care , its own economy or the economies of other countries .
    You seem to see some deep significance in a routine type of financial dealing which occurs almost daily everywhere .
    Next :-
    Money is never dirty .
    However , sometimes you might wish to argue that the uses some money is put to are "dirty" .
    However , if you really believe that the US uses its borrowed money in part for " Dirty" matters , you should NOT CHOOSE to invest there in the first place , if you later claim to be so offended .
    I hope that this clarifies matters for you .
     
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    You spell too much words :)

    During the last summit of BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and the Republic of South Africa) the countries with dynamically developing economies that comprise the fifth announced about their decision to refuse from mutual payments in US dollars. This means that the abovementioned countries will give credits to one another in their national currencies solely. The development banks of these countries have signed an agreement about a further gradual withdrawal from loans in American dollars.
    http://www.profi-forex.us/news/entry4000001367.html

    The Russia got a profit from US Treasury and no longer buys bonds FED.
    What would in Russia do not accumulate excess mass of the dollars then the Russia
    exchange dollars on the European currency.
    Dollar is dirty currency . Russia is more profitable to maintain the yuan or euro.
     
  8. raymondo

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    I am beginning to understand .
    Your use of the word "dirty" is inaccurate and not helpful . You actually mean " weak" and I agree with that .
    The US is pursuing a policy of a weakening $ and that is called devaluation .
    As a tool , it has good and bad points , but as it is being used by the US at the present , its use is clearly selfish , greedy and dishonest .
    But that's what the US is all about .So , no surprise there .
     
  9. litwin

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    looks like believe in Russia(Moskovia) and Russians more then you do, and i hope it will be no blood this time
     
  10. Potap

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    I also hope liberals will get a kick without blood. This is not 1991 now.
     
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    I wish the Russian people good fortune and success.
     
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    And we want you to mutually successful America will collapse, and the old Europe quietly die.
     
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    I think you need a hug.
     
  14. raymondo

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    But Hugilanim is Pakistani for Big Hugging Bore
    You no Urdo . I do Urdo .
    May be you speak dialect , Vot Do ?
     
  15. litwin

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    its not just liberals out there, its the nazi , "communists" , monarchists, city´s middle class, etc.

    then whats about your political preferences? pro - putin, anti liberal. are you kind of monarchist?
     
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    The man was not identified, that he wants more.
     
  17. Potap

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    It does not matter who was in mass of the meeting. The question is about leaders: Nemtsov, Yavlinsky, billionaire Prokhorov, liberal pseudo-nationalist Navalny, Anastasiya Udaltsova and so on. All of them have no any chances to win any elections. Nemtsov and Yavlinsky are politically-bankrupt persons of 90s ( especial Nemtsov). Navalny is the new generation, former member of Yavlinsky's party, he is the same liberal but with a nationalist smell. Liberalism as idea is dead in Russia. And liberals such as Nemtsov were the main murderers of liberalism. Not having chances to come to authority legally through elections they try to create chaos and to get an authority on a wave of chaos. This is the only variant of getting an authority for these people. Of course any society has protests. But Moscow is not all Russia and 50-60 thousands persons and even 120 thousands (though I have much doubt this figure is truth ) on a square are not all Moscow.

    You did not see the movie as you ask the question about my point the second time.
     
  18. litwin

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    leaders? there are no leaders, right word to use - spokesmen

    here you are right, but whats about Putin is he one of them (Russian politicians of 90s) ? how modern is he today? lets say among the big-city youth
     
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    They try to be leaders. So far as they have organized these meetings they can be named leaders of meeting at last.

    As to Putin he is not the ideal. There are many things which I do not like in Putin. He has too many obligations before Yeltsin's family, but there is the problem: others are worse. And the question is not about Putin, the question is on attempt of anticonstitutional actions. These guys having no any chances to win any elections, a priori recognize any elections as a fake. They have started to shout about falsifications a month before parliamentary elections. Now they shout about falsifications at presidential elections which have not taken place yet. If this is democracy, let their American owners do at themselves such democracy.
     
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    It is almost impossible to be an opposition leader , because , and as you know , anybody with potential is simply side lined with the full weight of the Kremlin , FSB and Nashi turned on them .
    Or , as in the case of the outstanding Kasparov , the Putin machine plays the Racist card , turning him into a dirty Armenian and Jew .
    There are great Russian leaders behind the scenes . We are not allowed to even glimpse them . Who knows what talent is there? And remember , when Putin was propelled to power , nobody in the world had even the notion of who this small , shy , and socially inept new guy was . If only !!!!!!!
    Now that there is a semblance of order , and most Mafia regional groups pay at least lip service homage to the St Petersburg organised crime syndicate , there is no need to continue with this fifth rate reincarnation of Stalin .
    Putin has failed disastrously in Foreign Policy -- he simply has not got one , apart from blackmail and bribery with Oil and Gas .
    And internal economic policy has never got off the ground , despite the PC words of his personal assistant Dmitry .
    Any semblance of usefulness Putrid had , disappeared after his first four or five years in power .Now he lives in the past , lost in a Communist type of world vision where Russia's elite simply put as much money into their own pockets and into outside safe havens , as it is possible for greedy thugs to hide .
     
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    Do not pay attention to him, he is a Spamming bot. I identified him a month ago.
     
  22. litwin

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    the Communists and Zhirinovskij&C are receiving $from American embassy... doest not look realistic to me, its clear that at least the Moscow_city got enough of the Putin regime
     
  23. Potap

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    I think that communists have made the mistake having taken part in the meeting on Boltnaya square. It would be more fair to organize own meeting separately from liberals like Novodvorskaya and Zhirinovsky.
     
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    I think that communists know whats better for them and for Russia in general then you do. then again it was not a liberals (from 90s ) political meeting, its a completely new format , vk.com/facebook/twitter/etc.
     
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    With the same style as the Arabian spring. The same creator which obviously works in the American state department. Communists know of course, what to do, but they should take into account the opinion of people voting for them, including mine one.
     

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