Most illegal immigrants in US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    Why? The island has a 10,000 ft runway as well as deep water docks. Load the main island with barracks for the detainees and use the secondary island to house the medical facilities and the Guards quarters. I could care less about the expedience, Ellis island rejected anyone who didn't have a sponsor, a job waiting for them as well as a family member willing to take them in. Today we have immigration and asylum courts to deal with. The process takes a long time, what better place to house them while waiting for an asylum or deportation hearing. If the answer is NO then the US Navy gets to train new sailors using troop transport ships to sail them home to central America. Johnson Atoll is the perfect solution.
     
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    So **** the poorest among us, they have to share with people who don't even belong here.

    Do you think about the implications of your views or the actions of politicians? Do you think about who gets hurt the most?

    Don't bother answering we know that you don't care as long as it pisses off Trump voters. It's more important to aggravate them then it is to make sure the poorest among us are looked after.
     
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    Those who came here via Ellis Island came here legally, legal immigrants are still welcome. There is no need to change laws, enforce the ones that are on the books. But you only want to hold accountable one side for breaking the law and give the illegals a pass.

    Unwashed masses has nothing to do with race, it has to do with uneducated, lower class people, in this case 3rd world people.
     
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    The war on terror may create refugees, the other two, nah.
     
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    nope, the only time I have issue enforcing the law is when a child grew up here and knows no other home, we have to show compassion, otherwise I support legal entry only

    then call the Christians coming from south of the border uneducated, not Unwashed masses
     
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    Eliminate birthright citizenship and remove the carrot. ****ing simple. Remove outdated destructive policy.
     
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    no, it isn't. it is how People become Citizens, nothing more.
     
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    Yes, Congress has the authority under the clause to create those laws for people that immigrant here. If you aren’t in line with those laws you are illegal
     
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    You miss the point; upgrading Ellis Island and surrounding infrastructure benefits our economy, not just the Poor.

    And, we have no express immigration clause only right wing bigotry.
     
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    They opened Ellis Island to process those refugees to address that humanitarian crisis.

    The right wing believes there is Only a crisis on our border and not the countries where Persons are fleeing.
     
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    South America is less stable due to our global war on drugs instead of more prosperous with our global Commerce Clause.
     
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    No, they don't. There is no express immigration clause.

    There is already an express power that covers this issue. Enforce Constitutional law, right wingers.
     
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    Wow! This is like speaking in circles...what is an im immigrant? What is naturalization? When one comes here, they are an immigrant, the power the constitution is to make law for those that immganr here to become citizens. If they aren’t in line with that law they are illegal. Congress excised this power since the constitution was signed.
     
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    The historical precedent was to open up a processing center to deal with humanitarian crises.
     
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    And we still do that....for refugees. But the very first law dealing with it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790, outlined laws, and procedures for immigration, and how to become a citizen. If you were in violation of that, you were illegal. The laws over the years have gotten more complex, and we've even expanded it to allow people to come for a purpose, and not become a citizen...if you are involatino of that you are illegal as well.
     
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    Ellis Island is more cost effective and humane. And, that Act was extra Constitutional to the extent it excludes any natural rights of any Persons in our Republic. Our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land was intelligently designed to be both gender and race neutral, from Inception.
     
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    Duh, that's what I said. Amend the 14th. Who's doing so?
    Any legislation being brought forth?
    tRUMP going to use EO to go around 14th? Said he would, but hasn't done so.

    But that might stop 10% or less from coming here. As that isn't the main reason for those coming here. Most are seeking work and a better life.
     
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    10% without spending a dime? Sounds like a good deal. Next is to eliminate all tax funded benefits for illegals. No jobs. No healthcare. No education. No more carrots=no more illegals. Or at least very few.
     
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    China doesn't have any Mexicans, so it must of worked - lol

    what Trump really wants is a wall for is his ego, he wants a great wall of Trump... and dems would tear it down after he left office and they would not want the memory of Trump around that long after he was out of office - so a waste of tax payer money (sense Mexico not gonna pay for it)
     
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    That would address root cause, now wouldn't it.
    But nothing like any of those is ever on the table of either party. And also, why a wall is mostly useless.
     
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    Again another 'they are costing us billion's!!!' thread that doesn't take into account the billions they contribute yearly to the GDP through their labor.
     
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    Why would they? Their supporters need that labor. The illegal "crisis" is just a way to drum up support from ignorant idiots.
     
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    The root cause is the southern and central part of the continent is a corrupt **** hole. Unless we pump massive amounts of money down there, nothing will change. Although like every 3rd world hole we pump money into, it always ends up in the corrupt leaders pockets instead of the people. See all our friendly neighborhood Islanders we're stuck with on our southeast coast. No matter how much money we pump into their economies, they blow it over and over again. Central and S. America have had a lot of time to fix themselves and they've done essentially nothing. The only value they present is farmland/climate for particular crops we value and cheap labor...and of course excellent drugs that kill everyone. They could let us in and easily wipe out the cartels and their families in a week, but then, how will all the politicians and police support themselves without all the kickbacks and bribes=) They really don't produce innovation in any volume or capacity that effects or helps the world. Brazil was supposed to be an up and coming power, predicted by all the PC "experts" and their culture proved once again how useless they are at accomplishing anything besides spreading blight and misery.

    The ONLY thing we can do is build a large enough wall, so that when everything goes to complete crap down there, they won't be able to get in and destroy us as well. Its one thing to stop a caravan of 1000. When entire countries of millions start heading our way, we'll be completely screwed unless we set up a wall of tanks and start mowing down the hordes, which it could come to. Survival of the fittest. ;)
     
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    We have an express Commerce Clause not an express wall building clause.
     
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    so Texas no longer support this?

    'Perry defends law allowing in-state tuition for undocumented immigrants"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/perry-...in-state-tuition-for-undocumented-immigrants/

    if you really want to stop illegals, make it a felony for employers to knowingly hire an illegal with a mandatory 10 year sentence, even Trump businesses would not hire them then - no jobs - means no illegals coming here for jobs - both of us know Republicans would never support this, they love cheap labor more then they hate illegals
     
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