Mueller ‘pitbull’ Weissmann let slip they were trying to oust Trump by setting a perjury trap

Ahh.ok. thanks.

Though the original won't be invalidated for anything other then partisan purposes simply because of Carter's Russian issues and the original coming in 2014, prior to Trump.

Sure. Though the first one predates Trump entirely.

 

What Russian issues? He was in contact with them because he was a CIA asset, something the FBI altered on the CIA documentation of that fact.

 

Riiiight

 

Even CNN reported it!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

 

Unless they can connect the dots and find that the originals contain lies and misstatements in them. How much was fabricated and when and by whom.

 

So did IG Horowitz.

 

I apologize, I thought thought your point was about perjury traps, to which I was answering that a polygraph test scenario could not be used to charge someone with perjury. If you would like to elaborate what your point actually was I'd be more than happy to give you a proper response

Actually, you are the one taking my post out of context as if it applied only to that specific description. It applies to the same the scenario you described, the false statement has to be material matter, and if you say one thing in court and a witness says another, there has to be a reasonable evidence based conclusion that your testimony is the one that is untruthful. Furthermore, you cannot be charged with perjury for misremembering something, unless you refuse to recant your statement upon learning that the information you provided was false. Which again is why Jeff Sessions was not subject to perjury when he said he did not meet with Russian officials regarding the campaign, but then at a later date admitted that he did meet with Russian officials regarding the campaign, but did not remember the event when he was first asked under oath.

"Knowingly and Willfully

Section 1001 requires the government to prove that the defendant acted “knowingly and willfully.” It requires the government to show the defendant knew or elected not to know that the statement, omission, or documentation was false and that the defendant presented it with the intent to deceive. The phrase “knowingly and willfully” refers to the circumstances under which the defendant made his statement, omitted a fact he was obliged to disclose, or included within his documentation, that is, “that the defendant knew that his statement was false when he made it or – which amounts in law to the same thing – consciously disregarded or averted his eyes from the likely falsity.”Although the offense can only be committed “knowingly and willfully,” that is, with the knowledge that it was unlawful, the prosecution need not prove that the defendant knew that his conduct involved a “matter within the jurisdiction” of a federal entity, nor that he intended to defraud a federal entity"


https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-808.pdf

 

Tell that to Flynn.

 

That's the same Homer Simpson logic I was referring to before, both of those individuals repeatedly lied to investigators, and then later plead guilty. Yet, somehow we are to believe that it is someone else's fault that they lied, and not their own. It's illogical

 

How about this, let's put every Washington politician's name in a hat, close our eyes and pick one out. Then subject him or her to an interview with the FBI or DOJ under the accusation of lets say corruption. How about you name which one comes out unscathed.

We will wait...........,.

 

Yeah. Even when a blatantly biased agent stated that he didn't think that Flynn lied.

 

Still pushing that debunked nonsense?

Flynn is now likely to do Cohen time instead of.... what was it originally??..

Oh.....Right... Nothing...

Smart lawyering there...

 

If so he will be pardoned sometime during Trump's second term. Flynn was targeted because he wanted to audit the intel agencies, and he was a vocal critic of our failed Afghanistan policy.

 

I've got dozens of these:

https://thehill.com/policy/national...omey-mccabe-testified-that-the-two-agents-who

What have you got?

 

And he lied to "Hear no Evil" Mike Pence and the FBI...

 

Standard LW MO: Ignore facts then claim something has been 'debunked'.

 

Understanding of what those articles are actually indicating...

 

Does it bother you than Brennan, Clapper, Comey, and McCabe to Congress and the FBI?

 

Of course not. Those were in service to the cause.

 

I am perfectly fine with this — our politicians need more transparency.
Are you?

 

Here's a lawyer who actually *should* be disbarred for his prosecutorial abuses. Lawyers who tilt their hand on the scale which is supposed to be blind and neutral, do a disrespect and a disservice to the righteousness of the law.

 

Uh...all that link says is that a lawyer altered a document. It doesn't say which document, which FISA application (original or renewal) or anything remotely like what you alleged....

Well the original was done in 2014, prior to Trump even being thought of as winning the Primary.

So chances are good that any issues with it will not have a 'bias against Trump' basis.

 

Hmm... did I say that I have dozens of these?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/horowitz-finds-evidence-fbi-employee-altered-russia-probe-document

 

Nope, that did not happen

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-did-not-say-michael-flynn-did-not-lie-donal/

but even if it did, it is the court that would make the determination, and not the agent

 

Thanks for an excellent and well thought out post.