Muslim group sues FBI over surveillance at California mosques

Do what the FBI is doing.

That's why the Islamics are trying to hide their activities.

 

Okay. Not sure what that has to do with anything if it is true.

 

That is blatantly not true.

While I despise the Patriot Act, it does have it's limits to what it allows, and it never, absolutely never, allowed the FBI to investigate anyone at any time.

http://www.justice.gov/archive/ll/highlights.htm

 

Really? I am pretty sure that is not true.

Islam has never declared war on anyone. Factions within Islam certainly have, but that is not the religion in toto.

 

Okay.

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Keep thinking that.

 

It has to do with what I was saying. And it is true. In Arizona, before the US entered WW1, the state was being “raided” by large group of Mexicans. After while the Army got involved. But they were killing people and destroying stuff. They burned down an entire town in S. Arizona. After they did this raid, they would return back in to Mexico. After a while Arizona said enough and passed the law. Basically it says that anyone or a group crossing the border is a threat and can be shot on a site. Keep in mind this is 1915. 93 years ago.
N. Dakota has the same thing, but it is with Indians.

 

Really? Feel free to provide a link to this.

 

I'll open this up to any progressive willing to answer it directly:

Why does the US need or allow Muslim immigration after 9/11?
What purpose does it serve?

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What's the purpose of allowing men over here? How many people have men killed over the centuries?

We should ban men from coming over here forever.

 

This wasn't an issue, when Clinton was president.

Waco siege

"The ATF began surveillance from a house across the road from the compound several months before the siege. Their cover was noticeably poor (the "college students" were in their 30s, had new cars, were not registered at the local schools, and did not keep a schedule which would have fit any legitimate employment or classes).[22] The investigation included sending in an undercover agent, Robert Rodriguez, whose identity Koresh learned, though he chose not to reveal that fact until the day of the raid.

The affidavit of ATF investigator David Aguilera for the search warrant claimed that there were over 150 weapons and 8,100 rounds of ammunition in the compound. The paperwork on the AR-15 components cited in the affidavit showed they were in fact legal semi-automatics; however, Aguilera told the judge: "I know based on my training and experience that an AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle practically identical to the M-16 rifle.... I have been involved in many cases where defendents, following a relatively simple process, convert AR-15 semi-automatic rifles to fully automatic rifles of the nature of the M-16. ... Often times templates, milling machines, lathes and instruction guides are used by the converter."[23] Aguilera stated in the affidavit and later testified at trial that a neighbor had heard machine-gun fire. However Aguilera failed to tell the magistrate that the same neighbor had previously reported the noise to the local Waco sheriff, who investigated the neighbor's complaint. Paul Fatta, who was also involved in the failed takeover of the group in 1987, told the New York Times that Koresh and he had visited the sheriff after the surveillance had been spotted and claimed that the sheriff's office told them their guns were legal.[24]"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#Prelude


Branch Davidians had no violent history. Their prophet didn't make the cover of Military History Quarterly:





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I'm sorry. That wasn't a direct answer.

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My answer is essentially "why should a given people have to tell us why they deserve to come here?" As long as they are legal, they don't need to tell me jack squat. It's the job of the FBI and Homeland Security to weed out the bad people.

 

From your article Don.

In May 1992, Chief Deputy Daniel Weyenberg of the McLennan County Sheriff's Department called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) notifying that his office had been contacted by a local UPS representative. A UPS driver described a package that had broken open on delivery to the Branch Davidian residence, revealing firearms, inert grenade casings, and black powder.

Apparently there was reason to investigate.

Also important to note we did not investigate Christianity as a whole over the actions of few nut jobs.

 

Because they are immigrants. We have laws that control access to the nation. I'm asking progressives why we should continue the current immigration policy that only started in 1965. So far, no one will give a direct answer.

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Were those items illegal?


Right, but we haven't had a wave of Episcopalians committing terror acts around the globe. Islamists have committed 17698 since 9-11-01.
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

If Islamists had committed terrorism on the level of say the American Left or Right, no one would care about them.




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Listen, I am sorry if your analogy came back and bit you in the rear, but I did not bring up Waco. You did.

 

There is no need to reply, if you cannot answer.


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everyday we have new threads on catholic priest pedophiles, or this gunman or that gunman was a christian right wing radical, or any number of hysterical boogey man scenarios. Sometimes the FBI has to investigate those who are law abiding, as long as they do not use that information to set someone up, I do not see whats wrong. Does it really hurt your rights if the FBI looks at you for some reason. If they investigate you and find nothing wrong and you never find out its kinda like does a tree make a sound when it falls in the forest and no one is around.

 

Well, for starters, it's unconstitutional.

 

Didn't you hear? Patriot Act now trumps the US Constitution.

*Herp Derp*

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