My area is getting hit hard by global warming

Statistically twice as many die from cold than heat globally and thats before you take into account starvation casualties caused by lower crop yields from shorter growing seasons when its colder.. Its a cooling world we should really fear not a warming one

 

very true, dark ages and the plague were a result of a cooling world. Low crop yields and vermin invading the cities looking for food and warmth. On the other hand the European Renaissance occurred during the Medieval Warm period.

The rise of the Incas also occurred during a warming period. They took advantage of the glacier melt off and used the water to irrigate terraced farming fields

 

The Volcanic Eruption of the Indonesian Island of Krakatoa is the reason they were called the DARK AGES.

535 AD event
David Keys, Ken Wohletz, and others have postulated that a violent volcanic eruption, possibly of Krakatoa, in 535 may have been responsible for the global climate changes of 535–536.[15] Keys explores what he believes to be the radical and far-ranging global effects of just such a putative 6th-century eruption in his book Catastrophe: An Investigation into the Origins of the Modern World. Additionally, in recent times, it has been argued that it was this eruption which created the islands of Verlaten, Lang, and the beginnings of Rakata —all indicators of early Krakatoa's caldera's size. To date, however, little datable charcoal from that eruption has been found.

Thornton mentions that Krakatoa was known as "The Fire Mountain" during Java's Sailendra dynasty, with records of seven eruptive events between the 9th and 16th centuries.[16] These have been tentatively dated as 850 AD, 950 AD, 1050 AD, 1150 AD, 1320 AD, and 1530 AD

LINK...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa

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which caused global cooling and as we keep pointing out mankind does a lot better when it is warm than when it is cold

http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080311/full/news.2008.665.html

An enormous volcanic eruption in the sixth century seems to have triggered catastrophic global cooling, perhaps precipitating famine, cultural conflict and plague across the planet.

The theory offers an explanation for why historical records from the period make references to dimmer skies and a cooler climate. Documents from Ireland, for example, describe “a failure of bread” for a few years after 536 AD, and there are also accounts of summertime snow in China.

 

There are those apples and oranges again.

Now get back on topic and prove that the temp change 400 to 800 thousand years ago was sudden

 

You're the one that claimed it was sudden

 

I have already shown that the current warming is nothing compared warming trends in this Holocene and now you sound like a petulant child who refuses to admit you are wrong ? I have linked papers that cover the last ten thousand years now so now you want to move goal posts. I love backing warm mongers into a corner and watch them throw temper tantrums and demand this and demand that like some 5 year old

 

I moved the goal posts? Maybe you should learn to follow the discussion and not come butting in with irrelevant posts. Maybe you should learn to read. I posted Hoosier's comment I was responding to; the comment about sudden temp changes 400 to 800 thousand years ago in Greenland.
And I'm addressing temp changes in Greenland so stop trying to push the topic to global temps.
Try being honest for a change and admit you misinterpreted the graph.
Try being honest for a change and admit you were comparing apples and oranges.
After you admit to your "mistakes" (yeah, right), I'll address your misinformation about global temperatures.
And if you attack me one more time ("watch them throw temper tantrums and demand this and demand that like some 5 year old") you can expect to be reported!

 

dupe post

 

what is so special about 400,000 years ago? Other than any graph spanning several hundred thousand years is not going to show detail down the the century or even decade. Any reasonable mature person would admit the sudden temperature changes that occurred in Greenland 10,000 years ago would show that nothing happening today is unprecedented.

Source: Cuffey, K.M., and G.D. Clow, "Temperature, accumulation, and ice sheet elevation in central Greenland throughout the last deglacial transition", Journal of Geophysical Research, 102, 383-396, 1997.

the ice core record showed frequent sudden warmings and coolings of 15°F (8°C) or more. Many of these changes happened in less than 10 years. In one case 11,600 years ago, when Earth emerged from the final phase of the most recent ice age (an event called the Younger Dryas), the Greenland ice core data showed that a 15°F (8°C) warming occurred in less than a decade, accompanied by a doubling of snow accumulation in 3 years. Most of this doubling occurred in a single year.


anyway feelk free to report or not, you are about 1/2 a step from my ignore list anyway.

 

thread title is My area is getting hit hard by global warming
not speed of climate change in Greenland 400,000 years ago

 

Want to put money on that???

 

well one thing for certain if the green warm mongers have their way deaths due to heat and cold will increase because they wont be able to afford air conditioning or heat their homes. But then it is only poor people that are affected so the limousine liberals and their stooge could care less

More than three million older people are worried about staying warm indoors this winter – with six million anxious about rising fuel bills, says Age UK.

The charity said its research shows many are unaware of the potentially fatal consequences of living in poorly heated housing.

Cold temperatures endanger the elderly by increasing the risk of flu, chest infections and other respiratory problems, and their severity.

Being cold also pushes up blood pressure which may trigger heart attacks and strokes.

Almost one in four people (22 per cent) taking part in the research did not know that a number of serious health problems are made worse or brought on by the cold.

This rose to 29 per cent amongst people aged 80 and over.

Fewer than one in 10 Britons aged 65 and over are aware that strokes can be brought on by the cold in winter, with only 14 per cent recognising that the cold can impact on heart attacks.

The survey marks the launch of Age UK’s Spread The Warmth winter campaign, which is aimed at cutting the 24,000 excess winter deaths that occur nationally each winter.

Caroline Abrahams, Charity Director of Age UK, said ‘It’s vital for older people to keep warm, both inside and outside their homes in the winter months.

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And besides all that...flogger said deaths GLOBALLY, not U.S. Deaths. But I knew if anyone was going to jump on flogger's claim it would be Bowerbird.

The question still remains though...what does it feel like to be "warmed" to death?

 

dunno but if the the AGW warm mongers people have their way we may find out because electricity to run the AC will only be affordable by the rich

 

While cold causes more deaths today, the decrease in cold deaths from warming will not offset the increase in heat related deaths. What we should fear is rapid change in either direction.

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n8/full/nclimate1902.html

 

are you taking into account how many deaths will occur because people will not be able to heat or cool their homes due to the increased electrical cost brought about by green energy laws. Is this what you want, people burning their furniture for fuel ? Dieing of heat exhaustion because they could either cool their homes or buy food ? I wouldn't be able to look at myself in a mirror if I were an advocate for AGW


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...higher-than-government-estimates-7462426.html

The number of people dying as a result of fuel poverty is three times higher than government estimates suggest, according to new academic research.


Some 7,800 people die during winter because they can’t afford to heat their homes properly, says fuel poverty expert Professor Christine Liddell of the University of Ulster. That works out at 65 deaths a day.

Fuel poverty is defined as when someone needs to spend 10 per cent or more on heating their home.

The new total – calculated using World Health Organisation guidance and official excess winter death figures - is four times as many fatalities as happen in road accidents each year.

The previous government estimate put the total of deaths relating to fuel poverty at just 2,700 a year. That was included in a report last year by Professor John Hills, who is expected to produce his final recommendations on fuel poverty next month.

Yet the latest Office of National Statistics figures show that there were 25,700 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in winter 2010.

 

Not if it is done smartly.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/sch...osting-renewables-will-cut-energy-costs-89361

 

I love this thread and the Global Warming Arrogance thread too. I now have those damn graphs memorized. So when they pop up I can just skip the next round of redundant posts. 72 pages and 720 posts and all you have to read is the first five pages or so before you are hit between the eyes with algores' bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Since vastly more people live in the tropics than in the Arctic, the US figures are, if anything, biased on the cold side. Unless you believe that there are as many deaths from winter weather in India and Brazil and Mexico and Indonesia and the Philippines and Australia as there are from heat. But hey, if you listen to FOX News, you'll probably believe anything.

 

Actually, if you listen to the establishment media, you are likely to believe in the current propaganda.

 

The post was entirely and ONLY about what flogger stated in his post. NOT your warped logic of why you misquoted him. But hey, when I tune in to the NATIONAL news on TV it is entirely FOXNEWS. I can't take the "original" reporting of CBS which only translates to me as fabricated. Same with NBC and their news fabrication outlet, PMSNBC with their ?manwoman? reporter, Rachel Madcow.

Or is it Rachel Mancow?

 

Which is why you should learn what the science says and come to your own conclusions.

 

wow a wind turbine company who says green energy is cost effective , what a shocker

http://www.schneider-electric.com/s...systems/17140415-renewables-energy-conversion

in real life though

A newly published paper by the American Wind Energy Association illustrates that electricity prices are rising more than four times the national average in nine of the 11 states with the most wind power consumption. In Texas, the only one of the 11 states with significantly declining electricity prices, deregulation rather than wind power is causing the decline in electricity prices. The findings are a huge blow to advocates of renewable power mandates and wind power subsidies.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...es-skyrocketing-in-largest-wind-power-states/

 

Schneider-Electric makes a lot of products used in all sectors of the energy industry, but wind turbines is not one of them.

The claim that wind power is related to rising electricity prices is from James Taylor. The AWEA report makes the exact opposite claim. And with electricity prices for wind energy dropping to the $40/MWh compared to $45/MWh for advanced combined cycle natural gas plants, it's easy to see why. Even in Europe, electricity prices are dropping where renewable energy is implemented properly.