Mythology and the Bible

It's usually attributed to someone. And yes, people have argued over the attribution for many writings.

Also, anonymous and disputed are not the same thing.

 

Yes and no. I don't believe that God is real. I know that he is. But yes, I can't prove it. As for a child's belief in a tooth fairy, it is clearly not knowledge of the truth. Your equating the two so as to cancel the truth is somewhat magical thinking.

 

WHOA WHOA. Wait. God "isn't real" but God "is"? Do you realize what you're saying? . . . that something exists but it isn't real???? Yeah, and water exists but it isn't real either, right?

Only a "believer" . . . . .

Belief in god is not "knowledge of the truth". It's a belief based on faith, which means ideas in the head, . . . -like the tooth fairy. THAT is the "truth".

 

I don't trust the eternal welfare of my soul to mere belief. I know that God lives. Therein is my trust. But I can't prove it. I don't believe that I had tuna salad for lunch. I know that I did. But I can't prove it. I don't believe there is a sun in the sky. I know there is a sun in the sky. But I can't prove it to a blind person. Neither can I prove the sounds of dawn to the deaf. But it is true and not a matter of belief with the option that maybe it isn't true. If you drink a glass of water, it is gone and you can't prove it. But it continues to serve its purpose afterwards for a time. If God gives you to drink from his well, your thirst is quenched forever. Though you can't prove it, you know it is true because your thirst and hunger are no more. You are reconciled to the fact that his life is in you and your life is in him. But you can't prove it. You can only know it.

 

But that's all you have pally. There is no soul, no eternity to be experienced, and no god. There is no evidence for any of it. It is all just subjective belief. That's why it's called "faith".

No, you can't know unless you have proof/evidence that is repeatable and testable. OTOH if god were to deliver the same message to every person with a functioning brain and all at the same time, although it may not be repeatable it might stand as good evidence. But one here now and one there next week and messages that conflict? No. Not evidence.

That's the nature of empty faith.

There's the empty tuna can. There is canned tuna available in stores so it isn't only faith. There is the smell on your breath. You could repeat it with witnesses if you like. It's not the same as belief and faith. You seem to have trouble with basic science and evidence.

Every seeing person can tell the blind person. And that person can feel the warmth of the sun. And it can be heard referenced many places in many ways. It's not the same as belief and faith.

Ok enough poor, meaningless analogies.

1. That's all symbolic talk. 2. No one can prove any of it nor repeat it. 3. It's scientifically BS. 4. You're taking a symbolic, spiritual work and reading it like a legal abstract of facts. That is a case of dragging what says to reject worldliness and worldly ideas, and dragging it down to the worldliness and worldly ideas and understandings. You're violating your own beliefs of the "truth"!

No, you can't know it. You can believe it in spite of all logic, reason, facts, and common sense.

And if you were correct, which you are not, you would be "in the kingdom of god" and you would therefore be "not of this world". You would be a unique, known, phenomenon in this world of phenomena. But you're not. You're still very firmly established in this world of phenomena.

 

I've told you the simple truth. But you have convinced me that you simply don't want to hear it. You have even changed my words to something else so that you can say it is unbelievable. Oh well, take it or leave it.

 

Do you know what The Presence is? How about The Anointing? Have you experienced them? I have. They happened to me every day for a month, years ago. So I'm not talking out of ignorance of spiritual experiences. I've learned what these things are. Have you ever experienced Unconditional Love? Do you know what that is? I've never met a "believer" who does. Every "believer" has shown me that they are solidly grounded in this world of limits and actualy have no concept of spiritual truth, thinking it is something they will find in this world. How sad.

Most "believers" are not able to distinguish between their beliefs and facts. That seems to be a problem here.

 

If, if, if. There is no evidence of a god. NONE! But the 'faithful" never run out of "logical" explanations for absurd claims.

 

Because it's doing damage to humanity and the world! Just look at Israel and the "Christian nationalists" clamoring for authoritarianism.

 

Ok that's ridiculous. Obviously you don't have any idea how the scientific method works.

Name a couple of thing essential to your existence that science didn't produce or improve.

 

God, my spirit, my life, earth, nature, my conscience, my Parents and theirs onward to the beginning of mankind.

 

A testimony of God isn't the entertainment of an idea, but the stirrings and embrace of spirit. If you love someone, it isn't based on anything tangible.

 

No I don't know what "Presence or Anointing" are. I was born into a non religious family and raised secular. But to one degree or another, I've experienced unconditional love my entire life.

 

One can love without there being a god involved.

The idea that the intangibility of love is an indicator of the existence of god just doesn't work.

 

So when the bible says

thou shall not...

We shouldn't take it literally?

 

LOL!

Have you ever read the OT?

The OT mixes government, society, religion and everything all combined.

Sorting IS required.

 

Avoidance is not a response
I'm told it is the Word of God
Are you saying the Word of God should be taken with a very large grain of salt?

 

No, read my post.

Do you need examples? There may have been reasons not to eat shellfish at that time, but do you still see that as a mortal sin today? How about clothes of different fibers?

 

So it's OK to sin if you think you won't get hurt.
Cool.

 

Well, for starters, you should toss that Bible into the trash or burn it and get a proper translation.

Next, realize that the Bible is not the Quran - it's not flat. It includes many forms of literature. So taking the poetry sections of the Bible literally for instance would be silly.

Here are some primers:

 

It's not so simple as that.

The branches of Christianity, Islam and Judaism all accept the OT. But, their carefully made interpretations are not identical.

Read Leviticus. The law of that time is of that time. Suggesting it was meant to apply to you today isn't supportable.

 

So which Bible do you use that says
"Thou shall not steal...NAAAAAH Just kidding."

 

So right and wrong are malleable?
A sin isn't a sin unless it hurts you?

I gave up on the bible almost 60 years ago so, no, it's rules don't apply to me.
It seems they don't apply to monotheists either.

 

If you're not going to read what I write, what's the purpose of my responding?

 

Having ancient Israelite leaders tell their people not to wear clothes of two fibers wasn't an order to people today.

Christians are smarter than that.