Navy now has stealth destroyer

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  1. william walker

    william walker New Member

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    It is the only country is South America that has never attempted socialism at some time.
     
  2. jkotan

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    Do you just feel the need to post irrelevant things? I have noticed that about you. First you claim something and when you are shown to be wrong you change track and go off in another direction.BTW I do not think it is classed as a country.
     
  3. william walker

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    You are the one who move the talk from the middle easted to South American not me. I am saying the US wouldn't have done what it has done in South American if no for the threat from the USSR and blocks those left wingers would put on US trade. The only country that hasn't attempted to do that is the Falklands which the UK classes as having a right to self-determination, so an semi-national country. Like Burmuda.
     
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    Latin America is nothing to do with the USA, they had and have no right to do anything there at all.You seem to have bought a lot of BS in your life, you should try reading some real history books. The Falklands is not a country,it is a territory.
     
  5. william walker

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    You are asking me to look at history the same way you do. No to read history books aren't you. After all it isn't hard to read, what's hard it to understand how history effects us to day and what were options back then to decide is they policy was the correct one. For the US the policy toward South America was correct in the Cold war. No if the policy was good or bad. The Falklands has the right of self-determination does it not?
     
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    So murdering people,training death squads, over throwing democratically elected governments and destroying the economy of states is correct to you? Oh nice to know.
     
  7. william walker

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    From the point of view of the US at the time, yes. It was the correct policy. The same way Chamberlain's policy towards NAZI Germany was correct at the time. If the British and France had gone into Germany and removed Hitler in 1937 a month after Chamberlain look power people like you would be calling him a murder, warmonger, over thrower of a democratic government and destroyer of the German economy. yet afterwards we all agree that would have been the better policy. However at the time given the political options, Chamberlain made the correct choice.
     
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    A true independent audit of the Federal Reserve System would go a long ways toward exposing the criminals. Harry Reid believed that too before they bought him out. It is no accident that the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 brought us WWI of 1914.

    Harry Reid: "I think we should audit the Federal Reserve"
    [video=youtube;oXOsZ7Ad7dM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOsZ7Ad7dM[/video]

    Harry Reid sold his soul, now Senate majority leader Harry Reid is blocking Rand Paul's vote to independently audit the Fed. Power corrupts.
     
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    Thats your opinion, hundreds of million of people in Latin America affected by US policy think you are wrong.
     
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    Actually, that is close.

    Any nation can be attacked. Period. Military does not prevent attacks, other then letting the attacking nation know that it will be attacked in return.

    There, that's it. You can have the US entirely militarized, like a modern Sparta. Every man and woman over the age of 18 can attend military training, and be required to carry body armor and weapons at all times. And the US can still be attacked.

    Now, before I continue, a disclaimer. The words I am about to use repeatedly is not aimed at the entirety of those with those views, but the braindead fringes who speak only propaganda and nonsense, instead of seriously looking at the issue.

    You see, this is the common misconception of *******s and Loosertarians. They see derblinkenlights and yet they do not understand it. Such a military is only good against a Nation-State making a conventional attack as one of either 2 things:

    1. Counterstrike. Nobody attacks because they know what is capable of attacking in return which is nearby.
    2. Revenge. This is the biggest factor, the MADD system. Attacking the US will bring down the Holy Wrath of Uncle Sam on your booty. Ask Japan about that.

    Now if the attacker is stateless (such as 9-11), or mentally suicidal or thinks they are on a mission from God (Japan), there is nothing you are going to do to stop them from attacking if that is what they wish to do.

    If somebody thinks that it is the job of the Military to stop attacks, they are seriously-seriously stupid. In fact, they are completely moronic *******s and Loosertarians who have no idea what they are talking about, because they do not have the intelligence of a cockroach.

    Tell me, do Police prevent crimes? Do Firefighters prevent fires? Do doctors prevent injuries? Do EMTs prevent auto accidents? Do sandbags prevent floods?

    Now anybody with common sense knows the answer to each of those questions is no. They are simply the responders or actions taken to control things. They in and of themselves do not solve or prevent the problem, only keep it from getting worse.

    So why they expect miracles and other retarded demands of the military is beyond me. Other then working as a damned good meterstick for telling me when I am attempting a debate with a complete moron.

    And I am sure that most of those I am talking about will not understand what I have written at all.
     
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    Actually it is quite relevant. War Is A Racket that pays big bucks to government contractors. How much did the Navy pay to build the USS Zumwalt? Big Bucks for a DESTROYER. We are going to destroy our way to economic recovery. War is simply a highly profitable racket for insiders.
     
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    While I agree with your basic contention, I will point out that there are conservatives who are just as deluded as to this point as liberals.
     
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    I just want to point out that I, a liberal, have always found Mushroom's knowledge of the military, and explanations thereof better than 95% of the dreck that is posted about the military here. The one thing he never is is a troll.
     
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    OMW. It's a destroyer run for your lives. Hahahahaha.

    You sound like the Argentine president, talking about a ship with no offensive capabilties about how dangerious it is to peace and love in South America. Hahaha.

    No the government pays companies to build and design cutting edge technology and scientific theory so save American lives in war. What you want more US lives being lost? You want training budget and pay cuts?
     
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    Oh yes, I indeed want the military cut to the bone. There is no need to go around the world spending $ billions of dollars killing people, destroying infrastructure, and rebuilding it. The U.S. Constitution and the founding fathers of America never intended for our nation to have a standing Army or Police force. A Navy and an Air Force, along with State militia, yes, but for defense of our country not an offensive force policing the world. 250 million people were killed in the 20th century in senseless wars for profit. The world does not have to be so violent. We can do better in the 21st century.

    "The Purse and The Sword" by Edwin Vieira is the way peaceful free society should behave.
     
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    Strange how so many have died then????
     
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    Still waiting to see some video of that mighty gun in action however.
     
  18. william walker

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    Compared to earlier wars? I mean why not do some research and take a interest in defence and the military before talking about?
     
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    Which earlier wars? name them and I hope you are not going to try to compare WW2 to Afghanistan.
     
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    So when an American is total hostage in Somalia and the people want other prisoners to be set free do you want the US not to have the capabilities to send special forces to save them? When a Typhoon hits the Philippines do you want the US not to be able to send a carriers which them supplies power and fresh water to the area or scrap the US sea lift capabilities to send more aid and leave those people to die. Do you want China to talk all over the Philippines and Japan and China to have a war, do you want the whole of Korea being a crap whole. Really what you are is selfish, you don't want to help anyone else unless they were born in the soon to be 51 states.
     
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    The Americans do not even have that capability and they have tried to go into Somalia two times I know of and have had their asses kicked twice. That makes your argument look pretty daft with that example.

    So you have copies of the secret Chinese plans then? I thought not,just making stuff up to try and make an argument.
     
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    Vietnam to Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
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    So all those stories about the US spending special forces to save hostages from pirats is wrong then?

    I know what China is doing right now.
     
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    Whose lives are you on about? American obviously, ignoring the locals I suspect.Your comparison does not stand up.Vietnam war was a major war, Afghanistan and Iraq were wars fought against local tribesmen and a 8th rate army with equipment from the year dot.over a million people have died in Iraq and are still dying today so much for your high tech..

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    Show us some stories where American forces have landed in Somalia and released hostages??? You do not know anything about what China is up to, they do not share their plans with you.
     
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    No. That's baloney. You misrepresent what I want. I posted a link to The Purse & The Sword. That represents the kind of peaceful, free, and prosperous society that I believe is possible in the world. Do me a favor and do not misrepresent me again. Promote yourself and I'll promote myself.
     

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