Nearly Every European Nation Limits Abortion to 12 Weeks, NOT 20

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HUH??? The bastion of Liberalism, Europe, and most of the nations there LIMIT MOST ABORTIONS TO THE FIRST TWELVE WEEKS????!!



    Europe's abortion rules

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6235557.stm


    Meanwhile, American Kill All Babies Whenever activists DEMAND the "right" to KILL the unborn at FIVE MONTHS and BEYOND, while OPPOSING IMPROVED SAFETY/SANITATION standards for abortion clinics,and requiring MEDICAL DOCTORS with hospital admitting priveledges at a nearby hospital, all while claiming to be "all about WOMENS' HEALTH"?????!!


    WTF?
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The American [Malthusian, eugenicist] left's war on [black] babies knows no boundaries.
     
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    The problem is that Roe v. Wade radicalized the issue and now there can be no reasonable limits on abortion.
     
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    All that and the only country to out right ban it is Malta? (hard to tell considering how small it is)

    Anyway, as to your post; Are their different sanitation standards between clinics? I was only aware that there was one standard, sanitized or unsanitized? And in what way does requiring admitting privileges help a clinic? Do they have more knowledge on procedures then other doctors?
     
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    Lol, wut?
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In AMerica, seeking to limit abortion to UNDER FIVE MONTHS, is being declared as a "radical" restriction on abortion.

    In America, abortion clinics are NOT required to adhere to the same safety/sanitary standards as all other surgery centers are.

    Some are allowing NON-MDs to perform abortions, and NONE require only MDs with admitting privledges to NEARBY hospitals to perform them, which is OUTRAGEOUS.

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    Per the current wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst American Abortion as Sport activists, who declare seeking to ban abortions at FIVE MONTHS, as "radical" and an "attack on women".
     
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    Progressives regulate raw milk more strenuously than abortions
     
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    Ok, so if you could provide a source indicating what the standards are, and the differences between the two would be great.

    Ok, so why is that outrageous? As Roe V Wade was in 1973, why is this suddenly now an issue? (Did this lack of privileges impact someone specifically or what?)
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sad, but true.
    How can the "Womens' Health" crowd OPPOSE IMPROVED SAFETY/SANITATION standards for abortion clinics,and requiring MEDICAL DOCTORS with hospital admitting priveledges at a nearby hospital ??

    It makes NO SENSE whatsoever, NOR does demanding the deaths of the unborn at FIVE MONTHS or LATER....they are the "RADICALS" in this issue....
     
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    Attention to the COMPLETE PASS on safety/sanitary standards at abortion clinics, has been an issue for YEARS...it is difficult to achieve even such OBIVOUS, COMMON SENSE MOVES as those, with the insane Pro-Abortion RADICALS here.


    Allowing NON MDs to perform them is a NEW THING, and , obviously, has NOTHING to DO WITH "WOMENS' HEALTH".

    Please explain why ANYONE would oppose the above IMPROVEMENTS in standards for women seeking abortions?
     
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    If limiting abortions to 12 weeks is a compromise, I'm all for it.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The RADICAL pro abortion crowd is close to RIOTING over lmiting them to BEFORE FIVE MONTHS.

    12 weeks? If ONLY....that would be described as "HATING WOMEN" ,as improving standards at abortion clinics, to the SAME as any other surgery center, ALSO is, apparently...
     
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    I'm actually against abortions personally because of religious reasons. But in regards to the US, women should have their choice. I just wish the Repubs would drop this issue and we can come to a compromise. It's killing the Republican party along with a lot of other stuff.
     
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    Sorry, but liberals love killing babies, it will be very hard to change that...

    Morality is something they don't comprehend, which is ok, Hell doesn't require adherence to any rules when it comes to going there... :)
     
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    Texas, and MOST AMERICANS, would LOVE to limit abortions to the 1st trimester, as does nearly every civilized nation on Earth. LOVE to.

    These are the STATES encating these , VERY REASONABLE,and even BENEFICIAL laws.

    It is the RADICAL abortion lobby, that is in opposition to them, for no logical reason I can make out....
     
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    I'm on board with limiting to first trimester.
     
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    And as a LAST RESORT , then, hopefully....for BOTH the mothers' and babies' sakes...
     
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    Source?
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To what?
     
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    How its beneficial to woman and that "most Americans" support it.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You need a "link" to see how holding abortion clinics to the same safety/sanitary standards as any other surgery center, and requiring only MDs with admitting priveldges to nearby hospitals to perform them (in case of COMPLICATIONS, OBVIOUSLY), is "beneficial to women"?

    Seriously?

    I've already posted the FACT that most Americans are PRO LIFE, as opposed to PRO ABORTION,as have others.

    What is it you need a "link" to?
     
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    Thank for you confirming its nothing more than just placing unnecessary restrictions on a woman's right to choose.
     
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    "...holding abortion clinics to the same safety/sanitary standards as any other surgery center, and requiring only MDs with admitting priveldges to nearby hospitals to perform them (in case of COMPLICATIONS, OBVIOUSLY), is "beneficial to women"?

    is

    "...nothing more than just placing unnecessary restrictions on a woman's right to choose."

    Obviously, you have NO INTEREST in WOMENS' HEALTH.


    Limiting abortion to BEFORE FIVE MONTHS is a "problem"?

    HOW? WHY?

    The Left is WAY out of touch with Americans on this issue:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/310636-polls-show-shift-pro-choice-pro-life.html
     
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    Really for years? so there must be a rather extensive source of information wrt the regulations governing abortion clincs vs regular surgical clinics. can you please provide a link to this information?



    Can you please provide us with a source describing how abortions do not require an MD? I had always thought that the states actually regulated access to abortions and the clinics themselves. Which states allow for non- MDs to perform such operations?

    who are you trying to kid? The "IMPROVEMENTS" are designed to ensure that the abortion clinics in any particular state have to shut down, as we have seen in a number of cases so far.

    If these "IMPROVEMENTS" are a response to woman's health issues, then why are they nearly always accompanied by defunding of planned parenthood? Why are the "IMPROVEMENTS" being added on at the last minute to other bills without any debate whatsoever, especially since many of the bills are fraught with misconceptions?

    I think abortion MDs should have admitting priviledges at a nearby hospital or two. Problem is, the hospitals are not obligated to provide them and in any number of case they outright refuse to grant them to abortionists. Likewise the "sanitary" argument, why would the size of hallways within a clinic need to be regulated by the state?

    ONe does have to admit that the strategy of some states to establish stringent criteria on abortion clinics and mandatory processes which the legislators KNOW cannot be met is an effective and unfortunately legal technique to impose restrictions on a woman's most private and personal liberty.


    And FYI:
    1. 20 weeks is not five months. it is 4.5 months
    2. very few "activists" are demanding late term abortions
    3. most of those activists place two conditions on late term abortions - viability of foetus and health of the mother
    4.
     
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