Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/negotiate-peace-russia-prevent-war-over-ukraine-198738
In 2021, Russia dealt several tangible blows to the credibility of the United States.
1. The deal between Russia and OPEC. The United States loudly demanded to increase oil production, but no one paid attention to these demands. The OPEC countries and Russia brushed aside the "hegemon" and continued to do their job. The United States had to submit off and sell oil from its strategic reserves. To say that this is humiliating is to say nothing.
2. The defeat of the US-funded Russian "opposition". Nobody paid any attention to US "concerns" in Moscow. Three days ago, one more shop was closed: "Memorial", and the "hegemon" again to submit.
3. Completion of the construction of "Nord Stream - 2". What have we not heard from the "hegemon"! "The pipeline will never be completed", "we will not allow", "we forbid", ... And what kind of sanctions were promised!... But in the end, the White House is sadly silent.
4. Disorganization of the work of the US Embassy in Moscow. The White House is used to the fact that no one answers their antics. Russia replied so, that the US ambassador in Moscow is forced, relatively speaking, to work as a cleaner: the embassy is empty, there is no one even to clean up. There is no one to conduct intelligence, no one to coordinate the actions of the Russian opposition ...
5. The Russian Foreign Minister has sharply changed his rhetoric. Instead of neutral diplomatic turns, he began to call things by their proper names: intervention, aggression, coups d'état, financing the opposition and many other long-obvious tricks of the "hegemon". Cheating began to be called a scam, provocation provocations. No one in the world allowed such a thing (although no, sorry: China in 2021 also began to use such terms).
6. "Red Lines of Russia". No one in history has ever announced the "red lines" to Washington, a year ago this seemed impossible. Literally on the eve of his conversation with Putin, old man Biden proudly declared that he would not tolerate any red lines. But had to endure.
7. And finally, coercion to negotiate. What was the first reaction to the Russian proposals? “Yes, we never, no way, but who is this Russia? …… ". And now the date and place of the start of negotiations have already been announced. The world has already begun to get used to the unexpected steps of Russia, time after time destroying the authority of the "world leader". And the ultimatum demand for negotiations on security simply plunged many countries into shock. They realized that nothing is impossible for Russia, and they are watching with interest how the now former "hegemon" will get out.

"The show must go on," as they sung in an old song.

Today, there is no need to deploy missiles in Cuba, because submarines carrying missiles are on duty on the east and west coast of America and it is impossible to shoot them down. Perhaps General Gerasimov will tell his American colleagues about this and say: “Either you fulfill our requirements, or we will act at our own discretion. Any installations in Romania? We will think about how to destroy them."
The Russian side tells the West: “We assess the current situation, which you have brought up, as a direct threat to the existential existence of Russia. If you do not agree to remove this threat, it means that we ourselves will decide where the biggest threat is and we will destroy it.
If this threat to the West is addressed by inadequate American and European politicians who can say: "This cannot be." But in the West there are also military and intelligence services who know a lot about the real capabilities of Russia. It seems to me that Russian demands to the West have just such a meaning: "Come, we will tell you what will happen if you do not agree to our demands."
The American and European militaries really understand the real threats, because they exist for this, this is their daily work, not chatter, as in Congress, the Council of Europe or the European Parliament, but a real concern for the security of their countries. Therefore, they must know and understand everything about the capabilities of a potential adversary.

 

Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

There is no war. Putin acts like he will invade Ukraine in order to get some concessions from NATO. I think the best bet would be to vote Ukraine into NATO immediaely and let Putin start what he is going to start. This is not an event that calls for negotiation.

 

I also don't mind getting started. As the classic says - "Better a terrible end than an endless horror."
And may the strongest win.

 

Much of this is laughable ....especially some North Korean ",invasion" of the South....that would be crushed before it would even start.

Little Botox pimp chimp Putler is walking in $hit he doesn't have shoes for.

 

Stupid Xoe will go to Putin and be the badass we all know he is and tell Putin that he’s to leave the Ukraine and you will leave it right now. To delay in any way will result in the a response from the US and NATO the likes of which the world has never seen before. This will be stupid Xoes finest hour.

 

You know, I have to agree with this.
My only calculus would be that China would seize that as a timely opportunity to split the playing field. Regardless, that's likely going to happen anyway and a darn good reason why NATO is important.
World domination, it's never pretty but sometimes it can be subtle.

 

Wrong, because you don't know Russia and you have no idea of its capabilities. Putin has to invade Ukraine because if their demands aren't met they will be left with no choice but to take over Ukraine.

They don't play games and they don't make idle threats. Russia is not the US.


Bismark: "With the Russians play fair, or do not play."

 

We will see. By the way, the North Korean army is much stronger than the South Korean army. Even the US is afraid to engage in open confrontation with the North Korean military. You can scream as much as you like, but it's a fact.

 

Foreign relations are weakening with Biden at the helm. Trump had things solved in North Korea and had a generally good relationship with Putin. Now, Biden is trying to have a penis-measuring contest with Putin. Not smart. Russia is not one you want to make enemies with.

 

Generally agree but not sure I would put it that way - due to the word "Enemy".. the question left open .. we talking Military or Economic.?

We are enemies in both .. but the two are vastly different chessboards .. moves must be considered independently .. depending on which board one is talking about. Military is a Stagnant - due to MAD - (we can never hope to have a positive ROI - attacking the Russian Homeland)

Economic is the real war .. the one we need to keep eye on .. and in this battle we have been getting it handed to us on All Sides .. Trump making some very bad moves in general on the Geopolitical Chessboard .. but the Putin relationship not one of them.

Biden is like a leaf blowing in the wind .. We won't be sending Troops to Ukraine anytime soon .. and equipping Ukraine is a very bad idea geopolitically ..

Its like Kosovo .. said same thing - bad precedent .. can't continue this "Do as we say - Not as we Do" foreign policy.. cause the leash has come off .. the danger of others doing as we do .. becoming very real.. Crimea being on example .. you open pandora's box .. don't come crying to me in feigned ignorance that something bad happened ... kind of like NATO crossing Putin's Red Line .. one we knew he would never move . and be 100% true. Russia was not giving up the Strategic port it has held for 400 Years .. to NATO ..

Now we want to arm a nation fighting Russia .. OK . how about Russia start arming Iran - helping them towards nukes .. after all .. its not like Pakistan doesn't have them -- far more unstable than Iran from a religious perspective - but what the West going to do

a less hyperbolic and more realistic example - .. providing Syria with some tech to strike back at Israel who keeps bombing them .. Ouch .. cruise missiles flying into Jerusalem .. Well .. What is Israel doing ? Do as we say .. not as we do.

 

You will have it your way because we have very weak leadership currently in the U.S. If I were in charge, I wouldn't allow Putin to hold the U.S. hostage with threats. I would call his threat and then deal with it overwhelmingly. If Putin insists on starting a war so be it.

 

I don't think what China is doing is subtle in any sense. But it appears to be effective so far. Putin is living in the past. He would do well to concern himself with the present. If the U.S. wants to be the planetary police force then it needs to act like it.

 

If you were president, then of course you could show Putin the power. You could invite Spiderman, Captain America, and of course the Hulk - that could scare Putin. Especially scary would be Captain America, dressed in underpants over a tights. And if you add a rainbow flag to it, ...... It will certainly shock the enemy.
However, for a start, you would have to not so actively flee from Afghanistan.

 

I agree with most of this. One exception is your "impossible to shoot down" claim. You are not up to date.

 

I wouldn't have done that either. As I said, we have a weak administration. You could have spared me the childish references to cartoon characters.

 

It is an opinion.

 

NK army is stronger than SK....sure it is.

The only invasion....that may be foreseeable....will be mass refugees and migration from North to South.....much like East Germany flooding West Germany back in 89.....when I could recall some East Germans literally fainting at the sight of how much more advanced in WG it was.)

 

This is a figure of speech. To indicate the severity of the threat. And of course you, as a military specialist, understand that it is almost impossible to shoot down ALL missiles in a mass attack, especially if the flight time is very short, as in this case with Russian submarines.
My opinion is that in the war between the US and Russia, China will ultimately win.
Because both countries have enough weapons in their arsenal to not only destroy each other, but the entire planet.
Russians and Americans will turn their countries into ruins, then against this background China will remain the only superpower.

 

Everything is relative. Look at the wild Ukrainians in the EU. Even the Papuans are more adequate.
But if we talk about East Germans, then many of them would like to return the Berlin Wall and, as they say, make it even higher.

 

That's a fake Bismarck quote.

 

The North Korean armed forces has obsolete equipment and malnourished soldiers who barely can do their job. They are highly over-rated and their morale is not the unified fanatic danger its portrayed as. If the South Koreans wanted they could easily defeat it but the problem is they would have a huge economic catastrophe trying to absorb millions of desperately hungry people with no modern skills and little infrastructure to help kick start a self sufficient economy for many years.

If you actually peel back the surface North Korea has no real air force.It relies heavily on supposed missiles. You an actually knock out missile systems in Korea quickly as they are not spread all across the nation as some think. North Korea does have a navy that could cause problems and some elite units but not enough to sustain a conventional war.

They have no way to feed their military in a sustained war including providing fresh water and diesel fuel.

Half of the equipment they have can't operate as there is no fuel to operate it of sufficient mechanics to keep it running.

The fear is because it has nuclear missiles they could be shot off.

 

In regards to Ukraine NATO will NOT defend Ukraine except indirectly through economic sanctions or military supply shipments for a prolonged ground war that Ukrainians fight. Ukraine knows that.They know they are on their own. The Crimean invasion showed that and Putin is playing Hitler in Sudetenland in Ukraine right now with the on-going civil war. He sees Ukraine the way Hitler did Czechoslovakia or Austria-part of his empire. Its a back to the cold war belief of having Warsaw Pact colonies buffering Russia from Western Europe. Its a mentality deeply entrenched in Putin from his days as a KGB operative and assassin in East Germany working with their Stasny.

Somewhere along the line the Russian mob felt Putin useful and decided to form an alliance with him and pull him out of St.Petersburgh to run the country after Boris Yeltsin died leaving drunken chaos behind.

Yeltsin and his drunken bafoon behaviour was too much for the Russian old communists to handle.

So they allied with the mob. The problem though is, if Putin gets too carried away it directly impacts with the Russian mob need to launder its money in Western Europe and the Western economic markets so Biden and Europe have said to the mob, if you let Putin run wild we will cut off your banks to launder your money.

So the ball now is in the Russian mob's court now...have Putin take over Ukraine but create a lengthy war there and chaos to Russian mob investments or have him back down with a back door agreement NATO does not take in Ukraine.

The wild card is Ukraines. To expect them to sit on their asses as Russia threatens them and wages war in a large area inside their sovereign borders and occupy half their nation is a hard pill for them to swallow. There is a limit to them not fighting back more then they have.

 

I'm sure you would, as long as it's not your loved ones dying. But be assured it will be. It always is in the end. No one goes through life without knowing the pain they had caused others.




My name is Thor, the God of War,

who fights on land and fights on shore,​

and listens to the trumpets sound

while men are dying all around.​

Their cries of pain I hear with glee.

Who cares about their misery?​

For being masters of their fate

emboldens me with scorn and hate.

- Jeannette​

 

Yeah....it probably would be a "catastrophe"....an example I used is former West/East Germany....I remember East Germans almost passing out when they were fully exposed to WG.

 

Well Vladolf can invade if he likes....but there'll be thousands dead Russkis....guerilla war like ones never seen....even heavier Nato presence in EE....if Vladolf tries to make a land grab for Konigsberg....and if it all turns bad(,likely will).....and Putinkas elites have their money and lifestyle squeezed....hell experience his "Ceaucescu moment" ala 1989.