New Pfizer drug and ivermectin

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  1. HB Surfer

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    Cliff Notes:
    • Ivermectin worked the whole time and even better than the new Pfizer Drug.
    • The New Phizer Drug works exactly like Ivermectin.
    • New Phizer Drug costs thousands per course. Ivermectin costs 6 cents each.

    Ivermectin won the Nobel Prize in 2015 (for humans). We've had the cure the whole time, but Big Pharma and Big Government colluded with Big Tech to squash the truth.
     
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    I support the FREEDOM to choose

    Ivermectin
    A very BROAD antibiotic.
    Worms. Protozoans. Bacteria?, Fungi? and some Viruses.
    Similar to penicillin, ivermectin does not effect vertebrates.

    I have taken ivermectin yet live to author this upload.

    Pharmaceutical Companies have an investment in
    "EXPENSIVE MEDICINES"
    And gov'ts PLAY THE GAME.



    Moi :oldman: M.D. ret



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    And :flagcanada: Too
     
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    If aspirin were discovered today tomorrow it would be a prohibitively expensive "miracle drug"....
     
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    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Why resort to using Ivermectin, if you can easily get Regeneron (at least in the US)?
     
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    I agree. I would take whatever I could get. When I had CV-19 they offered me NOTHING and I suffered for 2 weeks.
     
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    LOL! 80% inhibition of covid protease by ivermectin at 50 microM? That's really poor affinity. You'd need ton of the ivermectin to have a significant effect. And that's the problem with ivermectin, it works to block SarsCov2 replication, but at doses that are borderline toxic.

    In contrast, the Pfizer drug was SPECIFICALLY designed to bind to the SarsCov2 protease binding site. Of course its affinity is not published, but I'd bet you that it is in the low nanoM range.

    So, no, the two compounds are not exactly the same. One was designed as a chloride channel blocker as an anti-helmintic (ivermectin), the other one (Pfizer drug) was designed as a specific SarsCov2 protease inhibitor. If I would get covid, I know which compound I'd rather take.
     
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    Considering its extensive criminal record of medical fraud, why should anybody believe anything Pfizer says?

    The Zebra cannot change its stripes, and Pfizer cannot change its criminal modus operandi.
     
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    This guy is really good .. and pro vax ...but also pro treatment - which has saved many lives. I would not go as far as calling Ivermectin a cure . but it has worked very well .. the desire to demonize this effective treatment on the basis of cash ... from the Big Pharma who is dictating Health Policy.
     
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    Two infected friends of mine were cured of the infection by Ivermectin treatment. So have many others.
     
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    Why resort to an expensive drug when something just as good is available?
     
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    If one is wealthy, and owns stock in certain pharmaceutical companies, it could be understood.

    Otherwise, yeah, give me the Ivermectin.
     
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    If given a choice, I’d prefer a drug that was designed for the pathogen in question. Ivermectin was not designed to fight covid, so you are still exposing self to more unknowns in terms of effectiveness and side effects.
     
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    Thats how propaganda works. Scare you from something that works but does not generate $$$$. It’s been known for a decade how well it reduces viral loads for many viruses including the flu. It is also one of the safest drugs on the market.
     
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    I don’t own Regeneron stock, and do not consider myself wealthy, but I did have covid and I did take the antibodies because in Florida they are free and widely available. I got myself an appointment for injections literally within 3 hours after I got my positive test results. It is my understanding that the monoclonal antibodies are available in all states now, therefore seeking Ivermectin when you can get Regeneron for free seems a bit foolish.
    If you don’t live in the US I know that Europeans have AstraZeneca antibodies.
    If you live in other regions of the world, then yeah, Ivermectin might be a good bet.
     
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    Many drugs have been found to be effective in treating things they were not "designed" to treat. Many drugs have been shown to demonstrate efficacy for "off label" purposes. Ivermectin just happens to be one of them.

    It wasn't "designed" to act as prophylaxis for covid either, but in several studies it shows 100% efficacy in that role.
     
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    I think my doc wouldn’t mind prescribing it. I just never looked for it when I had covid because Regeneron was easy to get, and it didn’t make sense to me to look for a medication that is used as an off-label drug instead of using something that was specifically formulated for covid.
    Again, I have nothing against ivermectin, just saying there are other options to get proper and safe treatment without the need to experiment with dosage and risk unknown side effects.
     
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    Yes, my niece took the same route in a Miami hospital. I'm neutral on the monoclonal antibody route.
     
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    Well, if you can’t get your hands on the antibodies, you can get a drug that acts in similar fashion - the antibodies bind to viruses spike protein to prevent it from binding to your ACE2 receptors. So, a drug that binds to your ACE2 receptor will have the similar effect. Many common blood pressure medications are ace2 inhibitors, so you can use that as a prophylactic. There are studies in the works now that look into the safety and effectiveness and using these drugs.
    There is nothing wrong with this approach.
    But, again, if you got covid and there is a Regeneron antibodies treatment center near you then looking for ivermectin is just foolish in my honest opinion.
     
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    and its extremely safe .. 3 Billion doses - and way way way safer than the Vax ..
     
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    They worked pretty fast.
    My wife got covid first. I caught up a week later, so I expected it. We both took the antibodies.
    I had chills in the night before the test. Then on the day I had the positive result I rapidly developed covid-induced pink eye, felt very tired (fatigue), and had chills. So, I got the antibodies on the same day. All of my mild symptoms completely disappeared on day 3 and on day 6 I was already on the beach enjoying the sun and the water.
    I took them very early, but I read reviews from people who already had pretty serious covid and they recovered within 2 days of taking the injections. Regeneron works pretty well and I haven’t heard of any major side effects. Anyway, I got into this conversation just to feed my curiosity as to why some promote ivermectin when there are other legitimate solutions available to almost everyone in the US. I just think that everyone should take the path of least resistance - why experiment on self with dosage of an off-label drug when there is already treatment available that is free and easy to get. You can get Regeneron without even going to a doctor, while to get ivermectin you still need to see your doc, get the prescription, then start taking the medication.
     
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    There is another drug that seems to be very efficient, yet few talk about - nicotine. If everyone smoked like it was 1975 then the world probably wouldn’t even notice covid.
     
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    Really ? No way ... as a smoker I welcome this news .. but please provide a source .. as that would be really funny.
     
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    And this is exactly where the "Medical Malpractice" charge comes from .. malpractice that resulted in tens of thousands of unnecessary dead.
     
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    I’m surprised you haven’t heard. Nicotine effect is similar to the effect of antibodies - it influences ACE2 receptors that are needed by the covid.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34328284/
     
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    If Ivermectin was the miracle drug all along, why was Trump funding the development of an expensive vaccine?
     
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