New poll reveals how most Americans feel about Confederate statues

That's fake news. It's being debunked on another thread.

 

I believe the Republican party's focus was back to the basics, reading, writing, and arithmetic...

 

No, I do not believe the white nationalist/Nazi/white supremacist etc. population is limited to the South. There are enclaves in many places. There are numbers who support their actions while not being quite as looney.

For example, Bannon was chosen by Trump to be his chief strategist, and Bannon came from Breitbart where he claims (and rightly so) that he helped unify and motivate the alt-right.

If you read my posts you will never see me suggesting this issue is limited to the South or that it is a majority opinion in the South. However, let's remember that there are several states where Republican politicians work to marginalize minority voting by gerrymandering based on race. Those who do that WERE voted into office. And, this problem is more significant in the South. So, the South is NOT clean on this subject.

In recent action, Texas is taking their gerrymandering to the Supreme Court after it was found to be unconstitutionally based on efforts to deny non-whites equal representation under the law. So, the voters of Texas selected government officials who are ready to fight hard for the right to officially discriminate even when it comes to such fundamentals as VOTING!!

BTW, who are you guessing that I am?

 

They were not first Americans - the "first" might have made it here 130,000 years ago and spread down to south America long before the homosapien ancestors to Native Americans crossed the land bridge.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...esh-debate-over-first-humans-in-the-americas/

 

What makes me tired is not that you oppose gerrymandering, but that what ever your "opposition du jour" is, you only apply it to the Right.
Let's convert all districting to a grid on a map, even if it divides towns and cities, and leave it at that.

 

"Realignment" is a piece of fake history: a hoax purpetrated by the Democrats when our population's level of education rose high enough to recognize Democrat's historical racism. The Democratic reaction to rising education was to enact a strategy to infiltrate the educational systems and the media in order to perpetuate the hypothesis of "realignment". You don't have to look far on either side to find politicians licking up to the KKK for some reason or another. However, as recent as Hillary, there are more Dems than Reps dancing with white supremists.

Their best defence is a strong offence: hence calling everyone and their mother a racist.

 

Really? Name them.

 

I think a better solution is to have districts chosen by bipartisan commissions. The grid idea doesn't quite work, because the districts need to have equal population.

Another advantage of moving away from gerrymandering on party or racial lines is that extremists will find it harder to be elected. That is, those elected will need better skills at working across party lines and talking to politically diverse constituencies. A key reason for the political divide today is that there are too many districts where one party has no chance and the primary race becomes one of seeing who is most extreme.

And, yes, gerrymandering is done by both parties. However, in this thread we're talking about the problem of the broader white nationalist movement, along with its right wing elected officials striving to marginalize along racial lines. And, that isn't just undesirable or immoral - that is unconstitutional.

 

Please cite support for your idea that the realignment isn't real.

And, please cite support for your idea that there are more Dems than Reps "dancing with white supremists".

For example, what Dem is more dedicated to toadying to the white nationalists than Trump, with his selection of Bannon (who IS one) as chief strategist and Session, whose record speaks for itself?

 

Where are you going to find a "bipartisan" commission? We have elected officials pretending to be members of the opposite party! Even the local department store is partisan.

 

You made the case for realignment, I didn't. Republicans have never had a platform that aligned with white supremecy. However:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

Obama's advisor was Al Sharpton. Racist at all?

 

Every party has a presence in each state. One way would be to have the parties each choose an equal number of commissioners.

Another aspect is that there is now enough voting information and mapping software to analyze gerrymandering lines to give us various measures of fairness in representation. This is the information and software that is used today in order to create unfair districting!

Various states have moved forward on these ideas. One could look at how California does it, for example.

 

No. Al Sharpton was never a part of any presidential administration. Comparing that to Bannon, who was chief strategist, is a demonstration of your abject failure on this point.

Realignment is not my idea - it is just a fact. The end of the Whig party which then united with Republicans, the dumping of Millard Fillmore. The American party. The KnowNothings. Etc.

These aren't fictions even though it's hard to imagine such turbulence in party division today.

The realignment was not a sudden thing. These changes occurred over more than a decade, leaving the party alignment significantly different. And, there remained hold-outs for longer than that, as party switching has a cost. For example, George Wallace.



The question shouldn't be what some party was doing many decades ago. If someone argues based on that, they are just losers trying to save face.

It should be about what we are reasonably confident will happen given where we are today.

 

Realignment is not hard fact - it's hard, full-press propaganda just like the Russian investigation. You've heard it so long, so loud, you don't even know where it came from.
The whole racist argument is a bust: it exists on the fringes of every race.

 

Realignment is not hard fact - it's hard, full-press propaganda just like the Russian investigation. You've heard it so long, so loud, you don't even know where it came from.

The whole racist argument is a bust: it exists on the fringes of every race.

 

Wow! I haven't seen denial of extremely well documented history like that in quite a while!

So, do you think the Whig party, the Know Knothings and the rest didn't exist? Do you think their platforms and decisions are being fabricated?

Or, what?

Careful here - remember that you didn't even know the CSA position on Negros and slavery!

 

This is the second thread using that poll. This brings a huge smile to my face because that same exact poll states on the first page:

Keep using this poll!

P.S. That's one of the lowest in the history of our country for Q2.

 

Like driving a destructive rampage...literally in the street and killing someone?

Trump's Tuesday press briefing blunder on that matter had over 60% disapproval. Dem's aren't the only ones losing potential votes if we go by public opinion.

Oh and then there's this

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/politics/nbc-marist-poll-donald-trump/index.html

 

The leftist just blurt out whatever HOPING no one takes the time to look for themselves! Nine time out of ten it's total fabrication, and the best part is they drag down five or six like from buddies that fall for the same fiction lololol

 

Democrats who still cite polls to prove that REALLY they are winning!

It's like citing a poll that most people in his state oppose capital punishment and to prove someone on death row won't be executed - after he already has been and then ranting he's not really dead.

President Trump has already become president. I guess you can keep telling yourself that polls will determine whether he is president or not if you really like that fantasy.

Truman went as low as 20% in approval. How'd that work out for Dewey?

 

The OP is a poll.

You can't pick and choose the data you think is real and fake.

So are the polls accurate or fake?

 

Link to it

 

The only poll that matters is Hillary by 10.

 

Popular opinion does matter.

Congressmen still have to talk to their constituents and face reelection.

 

You just owned this thread. Damn evil polls.

OP should repent. Say 3 prayers to Bannon!