New replacement for labour in the Uk?

The fact is when you join the EU and take on the Euro the two will be mixed and you won't have control over it. You will unwillingly sign Scotland up to a Communist rule. Are you really going to tell me that little Scotland will not be cowering to the EU? Wake up! That is not realistic and based the statement you made you called the rest Britain of small. Scotland on it's own is even smaller. Try not to contradict you self too much please.

How are the working class people of Scotland better off by giving away their valuable assets which is their fishing space to the EU. They are not. The people that benefit from it are the high up politicians. If you fail to understand that I am truly sorry for you and for the people of Scotland.

Know what the funny thing is? It's not only the British it's a lot of the other countries in the EU as well. There is absolutely no reason for all these 27 culturally diverse countries to be bound by a single rule. Imposing this kind of rule over countries leads to war. History shows this over and over again. Centralized government of 27 countries, centralized control of finances for 27 countries simply will not work. Why are the Greeks are so angry? Because they had their ability to control their own country taken away. This is happening all across the globe. When you refuse to let the people run your country you open yourself up to violence. This should be common sense across the globe by now.

Of course it will only be temporary because the EU will force the Euro down your throats and there won't be a damned thing you can do about it.

It's the only way to ensure that the Scottish people lose out. Fish don't wave flags? No way.

 

Fact is the UK is part of the EU and Scotland would ensure greater benefit from it. I asked you a question earlier and you ignored it. Do you honestly think that the Little Englanders would be prepared to lose London's role as financial centre of Europe? I'd appreciate an answer this time.

This isn't a credible comment.

Scotland gains powers whilst continuing reality about the importance of European integration.

UKIP are against the common man. Thatcherism is a curse. See, for example, how child poverty went through the roof under Thatcher. Note also that Scotland still suffers because of it, as shown by the extreme poverty suffered by the likes of Glasgow.

Fishing controls are needed. In terms of the survival of the fishing industry, the EU is a god send.

Strange comment. Europe has a long history of war. It doesn't under integration.

This is another non-credible comment. Joining the Euro is up to the individual country. The current members would certainly prefer Scotland to wait until there is sufficient economic convergence.

Scotland has only lost through the Union. Fishing controls are just rational. Using Scottish oil receipts to pay for unemployment created by Little Englanders isn't.

 

I didn't answer because what you said didn't make sense the first time round. The truth of the matter is London was the financial centre of the world before we gave our power away. I hope that we do not give any more power away because in the Global economy London is still viewed as one the top financial centres and if we take back control of it we can keep it that way.

Actually there is quite a number of "ex" communists in the European Union so in fact my statement does have credibility. People should be aware of this and people should be wary of this.

Oh that's a nice phrase isn't it. European integration. Sounds great doesn't it? Isn't that a great idea. I don't think you can see the ultimate goal of integration. The goal is to have a European centralized government which can and WILL dictate your laws, and a European centralized bank.

Actually no they are not against the common man. Have you read their policy? I fail to see how having a no tax policy on minimum wage isn't for the people. Please explain to me how trying to tackle Zero hour contracts is not for the people.

Yeah okay.

The difference is that wars are taking place between the people and their governments. Not between separate countries. It happened in the UK it happened in Greece and I can assure you it will not end there.

Do I need to remind you what happened to our little island called Ireland a few years ago? They voted no and got told they were wrong. So they voted again and they voted no. So the treaty being proposed was re-branded as the "Lisbon Treaty" and was rammed through by government.

If you consider that to be fair then I'm sorry sir but you have no grasp on reality. You said it was up the individual country. It isn't and it wasn't and it is not going to be. Ireland voted to stay out twice, but they got forced into it anyway. That is what the EU is about and this is the route that Scotland will be sailing down, if they do indeed decide to vote for an unrealistic portrayal of independence.

Scotland has only lost through the union? Which union?

 

Maybe the Antonine wall would be better.

 

Do you really think it is a good idea to go back 2000 years?

 

Too high up and Northumbria would be all teary eyed if it wad left out

 

An insular Little England would lose its financial centre status. Who ever is in charge would have to continue with 'business as usual', cow-towing to Europe whilst pretending otherwise to keep the plebs happy.

You need to teach yourself some basic political economy. Referring to Communism is not credible. Crikey, even McCarthyism foot soldiers would shy away from such nonsense.

There is no 'goal' as there is no consensus. Crikey, the origins of integration was largely external (via US manipulation)

They are Thatcherites. They're merely giving crumbs to herd the working class. Thatcher did the same with the council house sell-off. To suggest Thatcherism is supportive of the common man is nonsensical.

You cheapen what war entails. We're in an era of stability. Has there been problems? Of course! Monetary integration without economic convergence was a shoddy choice. Of course much of the problems really originate from right wing policy. Neo-liberalism, for example, delivered financial crisis.

The Irish are free to leave. They don't have to always vote according to abortion. A poll revealed the biggest explanation for rejection was that they didn't understand the Treaty. And after amendments and further education it was approved by the electorate.

Wrong. See above.

The Union? Crikey, you could fail the immigration test! Scotland has no need to stay within the Union. There is no additional gain from overall London control. There are only losses, as shown by the Little Englander insistence in voting for Conservative cretins

 

Scottish independence simply isn't feasible as it would lose funding from London as well as it's oil & gas, British business, free education, being able work in the rest of the UK, even fishing rights would be curbed.

But if Scots want to endure an era of poverty and subjugation by leaving the UK, then please go ahead.

 

Nonsense. Scotland is currently in the black.

Poverty has been forced on them by idiotic English right wing attitudes. Time to put that right

 

Why? Explain yourself.

No it hasn't. But again explain yourself.

 

Its economic reality. Scotland creates more revenue for the Union than it takes.

You do seem rather innocent of what happens in the Union, like an insular right wing American no less. Scotland has suffered since the stupidity of the milk snatcher's election. That ensured poverty went through the roof, whilst destroying productive manufacturing industry. It won't fully recover until the diseased influence of Little England's neo-liberalism is destroyed. Look at the Little Englanders now. Confronted with an economic crisis caused by right wing economics, they blubber to right wing buffoons like UKIP. No hope. Time to ditch them

 

No it doesn't as the Scottish government is actually funded partly by the EU but also by London.

If Scotland leaves then it will lose the Oil & Gas industry because it is within the UK's EEZ.
This would mean that the lack taxes from the industry will form an even bigger budgetary black hole.

Don't make assumptions nor make it personal.

It's not going to either. What you don't seem to understand is that the cost of manufacturing in the UK and even in the west in general is much higher than most places.
In the 80's when Thatcher was elected Britain was going through a change from manufacturing to services as the economic leader.
This was essential because the rest of the world could churn out products more cheaply.

Actually things are getting better albeit slowly.
If anything the coalition has actually managed the budget better than Labour.

 

The Northumbrian capital is Edwinsburgh, isn't it?

 

The Antonine wall was more recent than Hadrian's. 2000 as opposed to a mere 400?

 

Heron the Bastard would have it a little lower. We could take back East Anglia. Rich for the picking with all those fat Chelsea tractor drivers

 

Again, mere reality. Scotland is in the black. The Daily Mail might not know that mind you.

False! Scotland has suffered big time because of English stupidity. Imagine what they could have achieved if they had followed the Norwegian model. You really should be apologising for your kinsfolk.

Personal? I haven't. I think its a general English problem. How else can we account for Cameron? How else can we account for Thatcher? How else can we account for UKIP? English insularity. They think Cornwall is exotic!

Its comments like this that convince me there isn't any hope for England. The days of revolution are long gone. They're now sheep.

Thatcher engineered the worst ever recession for Britain. Quadrupling unemployment and destroying the industrial base, she relied on the Falklands to pander to Little Englander flag waving.

Rubbish! It was typically the more productive firms who were destroyed by the stupidity of monetarism. Same idiots are behind UKIP bigotry.

If you're a banker then England is super. Other than that, its a breeding ground for shepherding oik. Crikey, you fellows really don't see the buffoonery of UKIP? Wowsers!

 

Why don't you check the government website?

What does that have to do with anything?

No. The EEZ belongs exclusively to the United Kingdom and not Scotland and this is supported by the UN.
By leaving the UK Scotland forfeits it's right to develop and profit from the North Sea.
And no I won't be told by you what I should and should not do.

Yes you have.

If you want to account for Prime ministers of the UK then I suggest that you vote for them which you are entitled to do so.

I just told you why.

No. Where did you get that idea from?

No. Agriculture makes up around 3% of the UK's labour.

Maybe if you stop being a racist and actually gain some understanding of economics then maybe you can put up a valid argument.

 

No need. I already know the facts.

I haven't seen one valid argument against independence. There has to be a reason, surely?

With independence we will see oil receipts going to their rightful owner. The Tories will be in a quandary mind you. They don't like the idea of fracking where their oiks get elected.

One doesn't vote for PMs, didn't one know?

No, you ignored economic reality. Only an Englishman would see quadrupling unemployment and destroying the industrial base as a success. As I said, no hope!

Haven't you looked at UKIP's manifesto? Thatcherism 101

Calling me a racist? Tut tut, clearly you can't respond with relevance. Perhaps you think God is an Englishman? Sing Jerusalem every morn?

I'm still gob-smacked that the Little Englanders would consider buffoons like UKIP. It just reaffirms what I said: England, no hope

 

You have seen plenty of valid arguments. However your hate for the rest of Britain is SO deep that you refuse to understand them or even consider them. Hopefully not every one in Scotland is as silly and as narrow minded as you are. I'm still gob-smacked that you believe being independent and being part of the EU are possible. Of course EU will welcome you with open arms. Another small nation to come in to big daddy EU arms.

 

Sounds like a dose of dissonance!

I'm not a nationalist. The idea of hating a country is idiotic. I can just refer to the obviousness: Scotland has suffered because of the Union. You looked up what the Union is yet me ole china?

I look forward to your nuclear subs parking themselves in Henley!

 

All right then then you know that Scotland's government is funded by London and the EU

I've given you tons of reasons.

No. You don't seem to understand. Scotland does not have the right over the North Sea.

Yes. You vote for the party but effectively you are voting for the future PM by voting for the party and it's leadership.

Yes. Which is why I'm voting for them in the EU elections.

Yes. You have made such sweeping generalisations about Englishmen including belittlement.

You're not even on this planet are you?

Well if you won't listen and want to behave like a troll then I don't see any reason why this discussion should continue.

We're done here. Permanently .

 

Again, Scotland is in the black. That is just a fact.

Right wing English are pretty clueless. Cameron and his cronies coming over to patronise the locals was a proper shot in the arm for independence.

Again, North Sea oil receipts are Scottish.

You vote for a party, nothing more. In Little England the Tories could run a troops of chimps and they'd still vote for them. Of course UKIP is less evolved. More like lemurs? Which of the UKIP blamed the floods on homosexuality? That was hardcore!

At least you're honest! Naive, but honest.

When did English become a race? Crikey you fellows rate yourselves. You did know that Robert Powell was acting when he played Jesus?

So, in conclusion, you support a party that apes a regime that destroyed- through stupidity- the UK economy. Neat!

 

Reiver you need to wake up. Scotland will be no better off. If anything your oil receipts will only go even further away. To Brussels most likely.

It's clear you can not respond with relevance or realism. Please do not tell me you can not see the Communistic influences being placed in the EU legislations and laws.

Like I said before you refuse to listen to any VALID argument because you have a dislike of the British. You can not deny it. It's blatantly obvious from almost every single one of your posts.

Wake up.

 

There is no doubt it will be better off. Public good delivery, for example, is corrupted by London-specific policy. Don't you think its a little hypocritical that right wingers are attacking the poor whilst replacing Trident? That sort of stupidity wouldn't be tolerated in a free Scotland. Little England is extremely damaging.

You refer to relevancy and then make a ridiculous comment about communism. As I said, England no hope

My passport says I'm British. What on earth are you going on about? The other fellow slithered out the racism card because he couldn't construct a valid argument. Please don't do the same, particularly if you're going to vote for the bigoted UKIP.

 

I'm surprised that you even left your farm or whichever hole you were raised in.

I showed you your own words which were pretty offensive.

And I did put up a valid argument which you refused to engage in, probably because you're full of it.
What is clear is that you don't understand what an EEZ is and you don't about the legality over the North sea and you haven't studied economics.