New replacement for labour in the Uk?

Free Scotland? You will not be free. Why do you fail to understand that. You think "Little England" is more damaging then the HUGE EU? Who the hell do you think you are kidding?! WAKE UP!

Do some research learn about it and then tell me how realistic and relevant it is. The Commissioner is pretty much the most extreme type of Communist you can get.

You are divorcing your self from Britain so I think it's fair to say that you do not want to be British. Get a grip. Listen to how you are contradicting yourself all the time!

Your views are so unreasonable.

 

UKIP bile? Well I never. Didn't think I'd see that, oh no!

I've stated the truth. Little England continually votes in idiots. Those idiots have been deeply damaging for Scotland. And UKIP still stands out. Despite right wing economics delivering global crisis, the Little Englanders have turned to Thatcherite buffoons.

Scotland is in the black. You didn't know that. Where on earth do you get your info? Hope it isn't from the UKIPer who said the weather conditions were the result of the prime minister acting "arrogantly against the Gospel". That just wouldn't do!

 

Again, Europe hasn't been a problem for Scotland. You tried the fishing rights guff, but you merely advertised the importance of joint action to avoid the tragedy of the commons.

Anybody suggesting that Europe is communist is not giving credible comment. There is no debate in that. Its a painfully ridiculous comment.

The end of the Union (the one that you didn't even know about mind you) is just rational. The only rational for it was economies of scale orientated (i.e. creation of a larger domestic market). Trade liberalisation eliminated that need.

This made me laugh so god bless you. You're voting for a bigoted party and you think I'm unreasonable?

 

I'm not part of the party. Are you blind as well?

Even if it's "true" it's no excuse to insult the rest of us.

I know quite well that Scotland has oil but it won't belong to it if it goes independent.

I used to work in the industry. Fool.

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Wow please stop spouting such nonsense. You only need to look at Norway to see how much not being part of the EU has helped it's fishing rights.

Anybody suggesting there are not Communistic influences is not giving credible comment. The facts are there. You refuse to believe it. You don't seem to care about it. I don't think you even understand it.

You will not be better of by leaving the UK you simply can not be better off by handing over even more control. It simply does not work. In terms of business it's idiotic to think handing over more control is a good thing. It isn't hopefully you won't find it out the hard way.

I can promise there will be joint action. The joint action will be by the EU and it will be an action to make it worse for you.

You don't even answer about the British question I proposed which means that you don't really have an identity. You claim you're British so therefore how can you hate them. I'm sorry, your passport might say you are British. Your statements prove that you are not.

 

You're prepared to vote for them. Close enough for me!

If Little Englanders want to have a better reputation they best stop voting for buffoons.

It will receive north sea oil receipts. Fact.

Sounds like you want me to pat you on the head. Sorry, no can do. Anybody that suggests Thatcherism was a success isn't batting high in the credibility league.

Don't you even know what you're prepared to vote for? Golly gosh! Some UKIP politician quotes:

"It is his fault that large swathes of the nation have been afflicted by storms and floods." "[no man, however powerful] "can mess with Almighty God with impunity and get away with it".

Reckon UKIPers watch Noah and think its a documentary

 

I will state the obvious (again): the EU is reacting to the tragedy of the commons. Just economic fact.

So you're stating that people like UKIP because they are ignorant of basic politics?

Fiscally Scotland won't win or lose. However, it will lose the corruption of Little Englanders who vote in buffoons.

I'm stating the obvious: My passport says I'm British, but it won't when the folly of the Union is ended. Did you think it was a good idea to bring up nationalism (or racism with the other fellow) when you're both prepared to vote for a bigoted party?

 

EU is reacting at a time that suits them to take control of a tiny little country. It's just fact. That's what the EU does.

Basic politics? People like UKIP because they show the real problems with the EU which no one else seems to do. Your a fool to believe there is no communist influence in EU politics. It is no where near as simple as you think is. I'm sorry it just isn't. You don't seem to have a grasp of historic politics. You fail to see what reality is.

We are corrupted? Seriously wow I never thought you would sink that low. By moving to the EU you open yourselves up to a whole new level of corruption. The scale of it is huge.

Your the one that actually started the whole nationalism thing by sending so much hate towards the Little English for voting so badly. If you can the see the past mistakes of bad voting, then why do you fail to see the mistake that Scotland is about to make?

 

Such generalities seem to be your forte.

No it's called simple manners.

No it won't. The most you'll be able to do is tax the terminals. That's it.
This is because the EEZ is not actually a part of the territorial waters of either Norway, Scotland or the UK.
What it is is an international agreement that gives exclusive rights to the United Kingdom for the development and extraction of natural resources.

Scottish independence will not mean that the EEZ is transferred.

I don't give a damn what you do but I do at least I know what I'm talking about unlike yourself.

Yes I do. I just don't know why you seem to think that it's actually relevant?
And do you mean this man who promptly sacked?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

Can't say I've seen it but it looks rubbish.

 

Do you even understand what I mean by the tragedy of the commons?

I can see why you're UKIP. The nasty bigoted party is just repeating the likes of BNP and NF: pander to people's fears and, where necessary, present complete fabrications. Of course all you're doing is convincing me that I'm right about the importance of getting rid of English influence.

Like UKIPs abuse of expenses? Be serious! Little Englanders have corrupted political mentality. They vote for right wingers as a reaction to right wing failure. Spectacular naivety (and I'm being terribly charitable here)!

You seem to struggle somewhat. Its the Little Englanders that are being nationalist, via their support for bigoted parties like UKIP.

 

You're prepared to vote for bigots. How am I supposed to react?

Voting for bigots isn't simply manners. It is despicable.

Again, it is in the black and will not lose out fiscally from independence. The only problem is that independence should have happened in the 80s. We could have avoided the disaster of Thatcherism after all.

Someone that celebrates quadrupling of unemployment and the destruction of the industrial base isn't going to have credible argument.

Of course its relevant. UKIPers are right wing bigots, with the party attempting to simply brush it under the carpet (standard right wing racist tactic!). Hain put it nicely: "Under their thin veil of respectability lurks rampant bigotry and prejudice, fed by disenchantment and feelings of social injustice".

UKIP is more than rubbish, but you ignore that. Voting for bigots is a terrible thing to do and I'll be glad when Scotland is free of the influence of the bigots amongst the English

 

It doesn't matter because the EU will not help you.

Actually UKIP does not allow any members of the BNP to even be a part of their party so that's a false comment like most of yours. How can you be convinced that giving away your power the EU is a good thing. You have a very silly mindset, a very small one and you fail to see the world as it really is. You have unfortunately been conned in believing in the EU.

Don't you think it's odd that the voting age for Scottish people was reduced to 16 before this vote? I think it is pretty obvious why. Younger people are easier to influence. That frankly is wrong on behalf of your Government. You really should be ashamed. I mean really ashamed, to abuse the young population of your country like that. Most of them would of never even had a real job yet. It's a serious wrong on behalf of your people for allowing it and for your government to even consider it. That really is a shameful and desperate move for your government to get what it wants.

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Wow this again? Seriously? Why don't you discuss how much your OWN politicians will benefit from this? I'm sure a few of them will profit nicely for you to join the EU.

I'm sorry that's just not credible. Look around England. Have you seen how many nationalities live in all of our cities and towns. England is so diverse that way. Your comment really is just a failed attack. You have no clue about the world around you.

 

You can respect someone else's choice and if it really bothers you then you can try and construct a reasonable and fair argument.
But no all you've done is ignore other people and then insult them because of where they live and furthermore you have the gall to flatly deny that you've been racist and offensive despite it being blatantly clear.

No what I said was that you shouldn't label as being everyone "despicable" just because you disagree with the opinions of a few that you know of.

OMG you don't know do you? Or are you just mad?

I meant to say why do you think it's relevant regarding Scottish independence?

I'll be glad when you get an education.

 

Its of course your right to vote for bigots. Be honest about it though.

There's an Canadian singer irony in you trying to use the racist card when you're voting for a party full of racists. Another example of UKIP politician real views: "I actually agree with the EDL on what they protest about"

Bigotry is despicable. If I voted UKIP I'd hope that the missus realised my insanity and put me out of my misery. But hey, each to their own!

Its all been made clear: Scotland is in the black and won't lose out from independence. Happy for you to present a credible source that shows Scotland is in the red. Good luck!

Already said! It shows that England is inflicted with an innate bigotry which will assuredly lead to British government inconsistent with Scotland needs (or hopes)

Wonder what the average education of the UKIP politician is. Hmmm. Farange is a public school boy of course. Thatcherites who aren't are a rarity

 

How do you know? You don't understand the tragedy of the commons. Your position is based on naff all

UKIP councillor:"Some individuals who voted for BNP in desperation, because there was no other alternate where we didn't stand, have come over to us now".

UKIPers who fib about the party's bigotry really won't get very far!

A 16 year old Scot has considerably more knowledge of politics than the average UKIPer.

Don't you find it amusing that UKIP, whingers about Europe, are in the European funding trough? I do. It shows that they are fake.

UKIP “Pocket Guide to Immigration”: promises to “end support for multiculturalism and promote one, common British culture”.

Vote UKIP, vote bigot

 

You know what I can't help but feel sorry for your country. I hope for Scotland's sake that most people are not like you.
Unable to understand a valid argument.
Unable to be clear on whether you dislike the English or not.
Unable to understand how the real world and how the EU works.
Unable to understand politics.
Unable to see when you are being mislead.
I've lost interest in debating with you since you can not actually put together sensible and logical arguments. I'm out.
I really really hope you don't get your independence because it will not be pretty for you.

 

Good point well made. Scotland has been a victim of the Union for way too long.

I never have interest in those prepared to vote for bigots

 

You have no understanding about EU politics and who is running it. You are letting yourselves in for serious trouble. All your arguments are pretty much just what I say but change the words to UKIP.
It simply isn't the case UKIP does not plan to through out people that are here legitimately. The fact you think that shows a total lack of knowledge on the issue and the policy. If the average Scot knows as much as politics as you, you really are doomed. Sorry.

 

This from the fellow that said they were communist? Golly, you are a giggle.

Seems to me that UKIPers will say anything to hide from the reality: they support bigotry

 

Look up the members of the European commission the information is clearly available to everyone. Oh wait I forgot you don't even know any of their names!

 

Sorry, I'm still laughing at the suggestion that the Commission is communist. Give me a moment!

 

I've been completely transparent about my views and have always been ready to explain.

What does that even mean? This isn't Canada.

I don't care. It doesn't excuse you from your behaviour

Wait you have a spouse? You mean there is someone out there that is willing to live with you?
My god we really do live in the most charitable nation on earth.

I didn't say that Scotland wasn't benefiting from the O&G industry.
And I've explained how Scotland will lose out which you have ignored repeatedly.

This is childish at the very best.

No you didn't

Who is Farange? Oh wait sorry it's Farage. I guess you should try and get something right for a change.

And all this shows is that you don't want to face the issue of Scottish independence and are reverting to someone's voting preferences just so you can wriggle out of it.

Sod it I challenge you to a dedicated debate in the appropriate section of the forum regarding Scottish independence.

 

Dedicated debate? You are funny. You know you will not get that from this fellow.

I still don't see how you can not understand the Communistic influence when you don't even know who the commissioners are.

 

So why are you going to vote for a bigoted party?

Brits are supposed to good at sarcasm. What happened? Did they watch too many episodes of Friends?

My behaviour. I'm not racist. I'm not a bigot. You will, however, willingly vote for racists and bigots.

Crikey, sign him up for the Edinburgh fringe!!!!

Tut tut, you dodge so poorly. Where is this credible source that shows Scotland is in the red?

Why would I want to debate with someone that willingly supports racists and bigots? The whole point of independence is that we can ignore Little Englander bigotry

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Makes me laugh every time I see it!

 

Then we'll know that he's full of it.

I don't think that I was commenting on the commissioners.