No Christian persecution in the US? Try telling that to these Christians.

Nothing like it at all. Some places in the south a back person couldn't find a place to eat or sleep anywhere in town. Unlike a gay couple in Seattle that has 100s of bakeries to choose from.

 

The Hadiths are not universally recognized among Muslims as actually being the word of Muhammad.

I know you love to paint Muslims with a hatred-induced broad brush in your valiant efforts to drive people away from Secular Humanism, but I don't.

 

Not everyone follows the strawman religion that you have built up to burn down as offensively as possible.

 

You know me better than to think you can get away with pile of crap. Any one who purports to honor the logic and reason of secular humanism, ought to apply its basic principles to conduct on line.

What I can do, and what I want to do, and what I am willing to do for you on this forum, are three different questions. you don't get to decide what I can do from what I can't. You are making assumptions without any foundations. What you do know is that I consistently refuse to discuss religion with you.

 

Who is more bigoted?....a person like me who wants LGBT to not face bigotry, or Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Yahweh/Allah who never, over thousands of years, never once cared enough about bigotry to lift a finger (despite some of them having super-powers) to condemn that bigotry against innocent gays in those barbaric texts!? Clearly I'm less bigoted than Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Yahweh/Allah - a far better human being, a more loving person, than those psychos. I think YOU are too - you have just bought into the hatred of humanity when Jesus said we are "sinners", and are "evil" or "wicked". Btthegreat, you are better than Jesus because you do not call humanity "evil" or "wicked".

Mt 7:11: King James Bible
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?"

Darby Bible Translation
"If therefore ye, being wicked, know [how] to give good gifts to your children, how much rather shall your Father who is in the heavens give good things to them that ask of him?"

 

"For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."

 

You've have plenty of opportunity on this thread to condemn Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Yahweh/Allah and their immoral followers who lack the moral courage of Modern Secular Humanists to change their barbaric texts for the good of humanity. But instead, you feel that the person POINTING OUT this barbarity (me) is somehow morally inferior to those who don't have the moral fortitude to condemn them for texts that say to slaughter innocent people. Very telling.

 

Gay people do not just live in Seattle. Some couples live in rural areas or in small towns. If they live in the middle of Mississippi in a small town with only two bakeries and no other towns for miles upon miles, and no guarantee they will have luck anywhere but Jacksonville, its the same problem.

 

Jesus didn't want us to judge because he wanted that privilege for himself, and his retarded dad.
I judge....and I judge Jesus as IMMORAL because that psycho zombie cares so little for 4 billion people who have ever lived that he not once, in 2000 years (and he's apparently listening into this conversation right now...or is he NOT all-powerful and can hear prayers?) told us that the old texts that say to KILL INNOCENT people (gays) is wrong. Jesus is a moral coward, period. I know, I used to worship the zombie.

 

They would have refused to bake the cake if it was two heterosexuals of the same sex who wanted the wedding cake. Religion doesn't limit marriage to men and women to exclude homosexuals.

 

Your inability to refute my claims just confirms said claims. Taking a moral stand against Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Yahweh/Allah and their immoral followers is not something that you can do. But I believe that one day you'll love humanity ENOUGH to do that. I love those people, but we need to condemn their bigotry, and especially their all-loving all-knowing god/prophet's bigotry, against gays. Please stop defending Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Yahweh/Allah and their immoral followers. You don't stand up against bigotry.

 

Of course I have the opportunity to stereotype people of faith or try to discredit these old texts or sneer at their faiths. I don't want to and they are not relevant. This is a simple matter of demanding that people of faith obey the same laws as everyone else.

 

Can you condemn Jesus as being immoral for defining marriage as between a man and a women? I can. How about you?

PS when you love humanity as much as Modern Secular Humanists do, then you'll rise to the high moral standards that we follow.

Have a great week.

 

No my refusal to engage you in discussions about religion, is evidence that I refuse to engage you in discussions about religion. We can explore the reasons, but you cannot presume to know them.

 

Of course those texts are relevant! Of course the hatred that Jesus has for gays is relevant. Most hatred of gays in America comes, indirectly, from Moses/Jesus/Yahweh....so can you condemn Moses/Jesus/Yahweh for their bigotry? Can you stand up to bigotry?

 

Poor little snowflake christians!

They just want to believe in fairy tales and the right to be bigots to anyone who doesn't buy into their bronze age nonsense. Really, when will christians get a fair shake in this country?

Please, if you want to believe in nonsense and spread your ignorance to your children, go for it. However, when you try to force your idiotic superstitions on other people, you deserve nothing but disdain. Religious idiocy has done more to hold back human progress than any other factor.

 

That's because when you try to defend/deflect/give-tacit-approval to texts and followers that feel it's ok to harm gay,s you can't ever WIN a conversation like that. You fear losing. It's ok to lose - when I was a Christian I obviously would lose debates to Modern Secular Humanist types. When you lose, please realize that that means that you need to change your thinking.

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Yes, religion has been the worst thing in human history.

 

The relevant service is the offer to decorate cakes in an individualized and personal way. That service cannot be denied because the couple want the cake to say Steve and Bill rather than Steve and Ann. If a bakery refuses to personalize the cakes that they sell, then they can do so. they can sell cakes that say nothing on them, and have no indicators about the type or kind of event they will be used for. That way they will never have to write anything they don't like.

 

Oh get over it. You can still go to your house of idiocy and fill up the collection basket so the scam artists and pedophiles of organized religion can waste your money.

 

You type way way more words telling me how you won't engage me than if you just typed "yes, I condemn Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Yehweh/Allah for the texts that say to kill gays".
So no, I think it's something deeper than that - that you do indeed believe that Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Yehweh/Allah are correct - that gays should be punished. Let go of that bigotry, like I have, and join us in condemning those prophets/gods and their followers who refuse to move into the 21st century. I believe in you - you can do this.

 

Refusing to offer their service to someone based on their sexual orientation is against the law. Actual laws, not the nonsense in your book of fairy tales.

 

I refuse to discuss religion with you because it feeds into your obsessive trolling behavior and it gets nowhere. When I know I am dealing with an avowed racist, who gets his kicks slamming black and brown people, I refuse to discuss race with him. Its counter productive. Bigots who are attention whores, are the worst kind.

 

Wrong.

The issue is denying service based on sexual orientation. The laws of the US supercede your fake, made up nonsense from the bible. Get over it.

 

Whoa, whoa! "'House of idiocy" is quite harsh! Oh sure, they believe in a talking donkey, and a talking snake, and a talking invisible zombie who lives in the sky and who will help them score touchdowns (prayer to him) but who won't answer the trillions of prayers to give us the final cure to cancer, but "idiocy"? Oh sure, the believe that, say, a moral hard-working Hindu like Gandhi is so bad that he DESERVES eternal torture for simply not thinking like said zombie, but "idiocy"? Well, it's kinda idiotic I guess, but still.
Oh sure, they believe that a man can live inside a fish for 3 days, and, uh, and.......er.......well.....ok, I'm starting to see your point.

Ok, good post, cupAsoup, I guess you were right all along.

 

Your version of "sin" is irrelevant in the eyes of the law. U.S. law, not whatever made up garbage your bible tells you.