No-Label's Party Better To Stay Out Than In In A Bad Way!

It was reported in the last couple of days that the No-Labels Party was talking to Former Lt. Governor Geoff Duncan, a Republican, about heading their ticket as their Presidential candidate. I think the No-Labels Party should try to field a Presidential candidate this year because the Republican and Democrat candidates are so bad but Geoff Duncan is not the right person, it would be a total waste of time selecting him he is not Presidential material. In short and in part what makes him a bad candidate is that he is a geek and a nerd and I wouldn't care if those were his qualities from a personality standpoint but Geoff Duncan has these qualities from a judgment and values standpoint and that makes him a candidate the American people will find collectively unacceptable and bad. The country saw a lot of this guy on CNN as a panelist guest on the topic of Donald Trump and his efforts to overturn the official outcome of the election and he clearly was too geeky and nerdy!

One person bantered around as a potential candidate has been Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema, although I think she would be a better President than Biden or Trump I think the No-Labels Party should not recruit her as a candidate. Unfortunately what I am about to say is politically incorrect but it needs to be mentioned in this discussion because it would be hugely relevant in fact it would be a significant albatross in her candidacy; the reason why Kyrsten Sinema would be a "bad" No-Labels candidate for President is because she is an openly LGBT person. Me personally it makes no difference whatsoever I in fact like Senator Sinema would vote for her as President and think she is a good role model for an elected official in Washington in part because she recognizes that the job's duty requires one to genuinely try to compromise because you are an elected official in a pluralistic democracy which means other segments of society besides yours need to be included which then requires a sincere effort at compromise! The reason why Ms. Sinema's LGBT status is a deal breaker is that the path to the White House for a No-Label's Presidential candidate involves having the election be sent to and resolved in the House of Representatives which will require the No-Label candidate to win at least three states in the general election so to prevent the Democrat or Republican nominee from winning a majority of votes in the electoral college which would require the No-Label's candidate to pick-up Nikki Haley's primary voters and these voters are from the religious right and traditional family values Americans and such people will to a large degree balk at voting for Kyrsten because of her sexual orientation status, to these Americans gay behavior is sinful and morally wrong and they wouldn't want to promote it by voting for an LGBT Presidential candidate!

Senator Joe Manchin decided this year not to run for re-election as Senator for West Virginia and decided to explore an independent run for the President and Senator Manchin I think decided correctly not to run as an independent because as he essentially said he would unduly hurt the Democrat ticket and hand the race to the Republican candidate; as referenced earlier the only candidate that has a chance to make it to the Office of the Presidency as an independent is a conservative Republican that is a moderate because that is the only candidate that can pick-up the bulk of Nikki Haley's voters and win a House of Representative's vote where the Republican's control the House! In light of this and all the other developments that has transpired since Senator Manchin announced his decision not to run for re-election Senator Joe Manchin should reverse course and run for re-election even considering that West Virginia has become a deep red state meaning there is a high probability he would lose the re-election race who cares if he loses he has had a storied life he was a great Governor of West Virginia and as a Senator he was always willing to work across the political aisle and has an outstanding record of accomplishment in that regard, no political loss can take these things away from his reputation! The compelling reason why Senator Manchin should run for re-election is if he doesn't the Republicans almost certainly will win the Senate this year per the experts and even though a fair assessment would have to say control of the House of Representative's is up in the air this year because as a group House Republican's are a bunch of wackos they prove themselves untrustworthy to do basic good things that shouldn't even be a challenge a prudent assessment is the Republicans should hold the House because elections are determined on individual races and in individual races the voters vote what they really care about and Americans are the same as they historically have been they vote pocketbook issues and Democrat brought on painful higher prices and voters will vote their opposition to this reality and send Republicans to Washington in House races resulting in the Republicans holding the House. The reason why Joe Manchin needs to run for re-election to the Senate is if the Republicans get control of both chambers of Congress and by chance the Republican candidate Donald Trump wins the White House and it is anyone's bet on whether that occurs the polls are too close and there is too many variables at play here one of which that could be really shocking is voters don't vote in high numbers they convey their opposition to the failure political system that exists in America by not voting the American voter have a history of letting their voice be heard in this manner! I know Senator Joe Manchin readily know the answer to this question but he needs to ask himself this question; what will happen in the country if the Republicans control the House, Senate and White House in 2025? This Republican government through the legislative process called Reconciliation where only a majority of votes is needed to pass legislation through each Chamber of Congress not the sixty percent normally required to pass the legislation through the U.S. Senate is going to cut and remove America social safety net like it has never been cut before the programs that help low income and needy Americans are going to be decimated, the Food Stamp program, Public Housing, Utility Bill assistance, Medicaid, College Tuition Assistance etc., this reconciliation bill will bring the best Christmas ever for right-wing Republicans, the Republican Party. One needs to consider that the next President will have to extend the 2017 President Trump tax cuts and the current Republcian Party is absolutely and definitely not going to deficit spend to do so especially when they can pay for it by readily cutting social programs their depraved character hates anyway and you know Donald Trump isn't going to let his signature accomplishment of his first term disappear. So Senator Joe Manchin is going to have to ask himself does he want to be responsible for the tens of millions of Americans hurt by such a Reconciliation bill the effect on these Americans one could fairly use the metaphor to describe that being of the Bible story of the freeing of the Israelites from the Egyptian Pharoah's grip when God sent his angels to kill the first born of all Egyptian families to get the Pharoah to obey his command to release his people and the wailing, trauma and shock of these Egyptian families, in America one will have to go back to the Great Depression in the 1930's to see the level of suffering that will ensue. Further, has Senator Joe Manchin fully considered that the experts almost unanimously acknowledge that the Republican candidate for Senate in West Virginia will win this year's race with him out and that Republican candidate will almost certainly be the current Republican Governor Jim Justice; and although he is a nice guy he has a history that the media has painted as being a prolific and notorious loan defaulter. With America permanently saddled with being on the brink of a catastrophic national debt level along with the same and unfixable budget deficit level which has left America in a permanent state of just having to manage a debt and budget deficit level to avoid an economic catastrophe does the state of West Virginia want to be sending a Senator to Washington that has a credibility problem on leading people on this issue; remember good and prudent leaders recognize that the American government need to strike the delicate balance of making the American government work for all Americans and not triggering an economic catastrophe bought on by a sovereign debt crisis; America's survival as a country depends on America's succeeding on this leadership effort!

 

No Labels looks to be a party without a candidate. If they can’t find someone who is credible to run, they had best decide to sit it out.

 

From what I’ve read so far, No Labels has gained ballot access in Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, South Dakota, and Utah. Worth 123 electoral votes. They’re working to gain ballot access in other states, but no one knows how successful they’ll be. RFK Jr., once the pride of those who dislike, disdain both Trump and Clinton have so far as I know, obtained ballot access in only Utah and New Hampshire. But RFK Jr. has fallen in the polls from 22% in December down to 15% today. But that means nothing if RFK Jr. isn’t on the ballot. Although it shows around a quarter of the electorate want a different or another choice other than Biden and Trump.


https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy


Regardless of who is the candidate/s for No Labels are, they need to get on the ballot in more states. But the Republicans and democrats who have automatic ballot access are doing everything they can to prevent no labels from gaining ballot access. The two major parties don’t want Americans to have more than just their two choices. No one else. So, they jury rig the system in their favor. What kind of a democracy is that?


I think those Americans who dislike and don’t want neither major party candidate ought to have other choices than just those two. What we have today, averaging polls that offer more than just two choices, Trump and Biden. We have roughly 35% who want Biden, 35% who want Trump, 30% who don’t want neither one. That 30% ought to have an opportunity to vote for someone other than Biden and Trump which they dislike and don’t want as the next president. But our two-party monopolistic system wants to prevent that from happening. The two major parties want to deny that 30% their chance to vote for their choice of candidates or against both major party candidates.

 

I must point out that Democrats have been working very hard and overtime in trying to stop the No Labels party.

 

You mean like in California, where the choices would be between two Democrats? That's not a choice.

 

I'm well aware of that.

 

That's a crock. In California, any number of candidates can run but the end result would be to have just two democrats running in the general. A choice between two democrats is NOT a choice.

 

California primary

 

The California primary was a type of ranked choice

 

And if RFK. Is prez and he dies, Jessy Ventura or Arron Rodgers would be prez.

 

Ranked choice is used in California.
It is easier to game.
In California democrats boosted Garvey to be second after Schiff leaving Steve Garvey underfunded in the general. In this case Schiff is so odorous it backfired. But big dark money might still go for Schiff in the general.

It is most effective in down ticket races to put the weakest candidate in the stack below the "chosen one". Ranked choice works if you can forbid gaming the opposition's candidates.

 

Ranking voting sucks. It leaves most ignorant people making uninformed decisions which can result in disastrous results.

Of course since California is a one party state, it really doesn’t matter.

 

Let’s see … Jesse “The Body” Ventura was elected Governor of Minnesota and had resign because the job was too much for him.

Aaron Rogers has shown a level of intelligence, but he’s also known as one of the NFL’s major head cases.

Neither one of these guys should be anywhere near the presidency.

Are you still voting for Kennedy? Not I. Those two choices show bad judgment.

 

Schiff should be in jail, not the Senate. His specialty is spreading purgatory.

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/05/617250124/how-californias-jungle-primary-system-works
We actually have a jungle primary, rather than ranked choice because one can only vote for one candidate. The term "jungle" is not a preferred term because of the negative impression created by Tarzan movies and especially Cheeta illegally voting as "human". The word "jungle" in California has pretty much been cancelled.

The important point is election gaming by big money:
IE: Using dark money funding of the opposite party's weaker candidate, then pulling funding in the general election so the candidate doesn't have the funding to run an effective campaign.

 

And I hope this debate among potential 'no label' supporters is long and divisive. I hope you refuse to cave, and so does everyone else. Fight tooth and nail for your fave!

 

"No Labels" is just another term for a party to compete with the other two. It hopes to grow to be big and grand like the other two.
The reality of their mission is to not only to boost Trump, but to push back at the idea that anyone has the right to smear, jail, prosecute, with no limits on what you can stoop to.
Their platform is weak sauce created by democrats wanting to return to "the way it used to be": when a reformer (Trump) is elected by the people the swamp, the administration, the media, the FBI, DoJ, ( and now apparently the CIA) have no right to destroy him. Yet they made it their mission to do exactly that, thereby screwing every voter in America:"Yes. Your vote does not matter. We decide."

"No Labels" is actually a group of "old school" veteran lawmakers who knew Trump was right, but in the internet age were facing political suicide by voicing support and demanding temperance in the character assassination industry.
No Labels has the same sense millions of Americans do:
the lower quality of the American population combined with the murderous dysfunction of the government and the media that translates it for it us going to end badly if we don't fix it.

 

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Once again, you ignore the California primaries.

 

62% of all Americans say this country needs another viable choice other than Trump and Biden. 56% of all Americans state they’d consider voting for a moderate independent if the rematch occurs.


https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/HHP_Feb2024_KeyResults.pdf


Then you have 56% of all Americans who don’t want Biden to run again, 54% who don’t want Trump to run again either.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_Ba6mR1n.pdf


What no labels does is to give voice, a ballot choice to those who don’t want Biden reelected and at the same time don’t want Trump to regain the white house. A voice to those who disliked and don’t want neither Biden and or Trump as their next president. But even if no labels don’t field a candidate this time, there’s still RFK Jr. out there who is polling 15% of the electorate in a three-candidate race.


https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy


I think it’s important to give those totally dissatisfied with the two major party candidates someone to vote for to register their total disdain of both Biden and Trump. If not, chances are they’ll just stay home and not vote at all. All you have to do is look at the difference between 2016 when both major parties choose two disliked and unwanted candidates to 2020 for comparison.


2016 54% voter turnout, 137 million. 2020 62% voter turnout using VAP, 160 million

2016 6.0% third party voters voting against both Trump and Clinton, 8.2 million. 2020 1.7% third party vote voting against both Trump and Biden, 2.8 million


23 million new voters who didn’t vote in 2016 when both major party candidates were disliked and unwanted who did come out and vote in 2020. I won’t predict a winner, but if no viable third choice becomes a reality, I will predict a low voter turnout, lower than 2016 with a higher third-party vote. This is what happens when both major parties ignore the wants and wishes or in this case the don’t wants of most Americans by nominating two disliked and unwanted candidates.