No-Label's Party Better To Stay Out Than In In A Bad Way!

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  1. 19Crib

    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Forget about Trump and your opinions about 2024's candidates, that ship has sailed. It is all lies and half-truths from here on.
    What needs to change is the temperament of a over informed, usually falsely informed, group of hostile players and out of government feeding social media.
    "No Labels" expects to accomplish that. Good luck. But it may help set some needed standards reporting by the big guns in '2028.
    BUT. All No Labels can do today is make it worse.
     
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    You can’t forget the candidates, it’s the candidates that drives how people vote. Well, republicans and democrats will vote the letter behind the name regardless of the candidates. What do you do if both major parties come up with two unwanted bum candidates in the eyes of most Americans? Usually sit it out if the past is any indication. Candidates matter. If the two major parties fielded better, more liked, more wanted candidates, no labels wouldn’t be a consideration. No labels is a consideration only because of the two candidates chosen by both major parties. Candidates matter, especially to the independent voter who for the most part don’t give an owl’s hoot about political parties.


    Then too, there’s always RFK Jr. If no labels becomes a major player, blame that on the two major parties who refused to listen to most Americans. Of course, they don’t have to. It’s their right to choose whoever they want regardless of what America as a whole thinks of their choices. It will be the two major parties that gives no labels their opening.
     
  3. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Not trying to ignore anything, that's why I asked you for some clarification.
    Are you suggesting that the primary you were referring to was something different than what 19Crib was posting about?
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-than-in-in-a-bad-way.617330/#post-1074708696
    Because the primary referenced by 19Crib did not involve Ranked Voting. If you're talking about some other California primary, then again,
    can you cite your source or provide a link to what you mean? That way we can all try to make sure we're all on the same page. Thanks,
     
  4. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    If there are only two candidates how would ranked voting change anything?
     
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    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, the idea is that Ranked Voting would allow for more than only two candidates to run in general elections, without those candidates (or the voters) having to worry about things like spoilers or tactical voting. In other words, simply by switching to a Ranked Voting system, we would increase the pool of viable options to choose between. Having only two candidates (or only two viable candidates) run under such a system would be unlikely, although it would still be a possibility, in which case, result-wise it would be the same as Plurality for that specific scenario.

    -Meta
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    So you want multiple nominees from each party?
     
  7. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    I want more than two options in the general, regardless of party. I.e. I want more than two viable options, whether that be that some of those options are from the same party, from a third party, or no party at all (Independents). And I believe that most Americans share in that sentiment. We don't want to be restricted to just choosing between only two candidates as pre-selected by the two major political parties. We want to have more options than that; to have the option to pick from candidates outside of those parties or from within the areas in between, and without needing to worry about whether our support for one candidate will increase the odds of a candidate we don't like winning things.

    How about yourself though? Are you satisfied with the limited choices that Americans are offered come election time? Or would you prefer to be able to vote for third party candidates, moderates, or independents on some occasions, without concern for spoiler effect, and actually have such occasionally preferred candidates have a fair shot at winning??

    -Meta
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you about having more options. To me the worst possible option is a single party system. A little better is a two party system. A bunch better is a multiple party system and the best is a no party system. In our system, the two winners in the political party sweepstakes have successfully quashed all competition.

    Our system is designed for voters to elect people not parties and voters appear to be less than competent at hiring leaders. The democratic systems that have a bunch of parties are those designed to have voters elect parties rather than people. So at least they end up with the second best option and we have gone with the second worst. Our system would be better if there were no political parties. I can't see how human nature would allow a no party system, however.
     

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