NO MORE INDIANS IN CLEVELAND

Except COLLECTORS, the kind of people who pay big money for this stuff. However, I take your point that when most people buy a team jersey, they're not thinking about its long-term potential as an investment (so to speak), they want to show their team pride without their team changing its name. It would be nice if they designed all the 2021 lndians merch so that, in 2022, you could receive a little kit that would allow you to switch out the old name for the new one-- velcro maybe?

But again, we're elevating this issue beyond its level of importance to you. I would like to mention something, though. If your biggest problem with pro sports teams is their players wanting to exercise their right to free expression during the National Anthem, I wonder why you are also against the owners, who did not want their teams to do this. And, despite the exorbitant salaries these players get, it's the owners, I'm guessing, who would lose the most from their teams going belly-up.

 

That's interesting, how strong of a connection a team keeps with its name, even when it moves to a very different place. I always thought of the place as more important to the name. It wouldn't make sense, for example, if the Steelers ever left Pittsburgh, for them to call themselves that in most other markets.

I wonder if it works the same way for semi-pro teams. Do you think, at some point in the past there have been circumstances like a Boston hockey team being run out of town by another team, so heading out west to make a fresh start, & giving the fans something like the Kansas City Crabbers?

 

2 Glaring examples in the NBA are these.

The Utah Jazz (who started in New Orleans)
The LA Lakers (who started in Minneapolis)

 

You really take note of those things (or do your homework)!

 

Concerning the restrictions ect. ect. Also consider that the city is invested in the team, as well as local businesses and things like radio and television contracts. I agree they should be held to the same standards regarding COVID as everyone else, but there is much more to the reason why they have been given exemptions from the rules.

 

I know things like that off the top of my head.

Other examples"

Memphis Grizzlies (started in Vancouver)
Calgary Flames (started in Atlanta)

 

That's funny, because, "Flames," is even more appropriate for Atlanta, in a very ironic way, than it almost certainly could have been for Calgary (Gen. Sherman's burning of Atlanta). I'm actually surprised that's no longer a tender spot in the city, despite all the years.

Memphis, I'm sure, has bears not too far off, but if it ever had Grizzlies, it was during the last Ice Age.

 

Because Cleveland and Cucks start with the same letter, and its an accurate name given the change.

 

It's conceptually more complex than the typical team name, but I guess the Foe, Outraged could work. Sorry for the less than spectacular pun; it's my lead-in to an attempt to keep this thread political, since I originally started it in SPORTS, then asked to have it moved here, since it encompasses the current issue of racial stereotypes & sensitivities.

So, continuing that line of outraging one's foe, it turns out that Ohio is one of the most aggregiously-gerrymandered states in the country. Cleveland, itself, shares part of such a long, thin district, that it is known as, "the snake on the lake." And since the term for carving up the land this way evokes a mythical creature, why not, the Cleve-land Gerrymanders?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dispatch.com/amp/6049816002

Excerpt, from the Columbus Dispatch (OH):

With Republicans jury-rigged into a dozen mostly safe districts and Democrats packed into four, not a single seat in the U.S. House of Representatives has flipped during the past nine years in Ohio.

How out of line are some of the current sprawling U.S. House lines?



Democrat Marcy Kaptur’s thin “snake on the lake" district stretches from west of Toledo to the CLEVELAND area — at one point connected only by the Sandusky Bay bridge. And Democrat Joyce Beatty's "Franklin County sinkhole" packed together Democrats to allow two Republican districts to take in GOP-friendly parts of the county.

They are so out of line that a panel of three federal judges last year unanimously declared Ohio's congressional gerrymandering unconstitutional, finding it "so skewed toward one party that the electoral outcome is predetermined." But the U.S. Supreme Court vacated the ruling.

Ohio's Republicans in Congress received 52% of the statewide vote in 2018, but continued to own 75% of the seats. Under the same standard, the Ohio House could contain seven more Democrats than the current 61-38 Republican advantage.

Republicans retain the upper hand in the coming map-drawing in Ohio, but face a mandatory duty next year to draw politically neutral, more-compact districts. They also are limited in splitting political jurisdictions to intentionally pack certain voters into certain districts...<end quote>


The part of the quote that I highlighted in blue points to another reason that the recent hijinks w/ the Supreme Court are more concerning than politicians just being politicians. Here's a link to my post about this.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?members/definning.85218/

 

I assume Cucks stands for cuckolds. By whom, do you feel, they have been cuckolded? I'm just asking out of curiosity. This is a safe space. In fact, I can already hear some people referring to them, if that were their name, as the Cuckies.

 

To continue in the direction I began, 2 posts above, in proposing the Cleveland Gerrymanders, I want to offer a new idea for the D.C. football squad. They are, actually, still taking suggestions, & I just submitted mine--

https://www.washingtonjourney.com/thank-you/

-- which was a name that bespeaks of the power of a single man holding back 99 others, for 3 days, alone: The Washington FILIBUSTERS. I also pointed out that this name both evokes the unmovable defense that has been a franchise tradition, as well as takes a poke at Washington's top, regional rival, PHILLY.

While the team might be able to stay with a red-themed name & still evoke a tough defense, via their big RED LINE, then again, that could be a future public relations problem.

 

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only if Trump buys the team.

 

Again I say we need to hear from the Native Americans since it is their name ( well the name Columbus inadvertently gave them) we are using. Ask the Native Americans if doing away with the Indians is doing away with their culture.
I acknowledge that the 1st amendment gives "us" that right to name a team "we" own whatever the ]{#%*+£€#{#>>>. we want. If it wasn't for PC and our sense of propriety the 1st gives us the right to name them The Cleveland "N..........s". How is that?

 

The Braves and they did not dissolve they first moved to Milwaukee then obviously to Atlanta.

 

The Braves are not an ethnic group or a race. It like the New England Patriots it is a name that denotes honor.

 

they appear to be ungrateful.

 

Explain!!! Ungrateful for what?

 

I always think in cases like this they should have a vote from the fans?

 

They do not have to since most of the money comes from the media. At least that is how i understand it.

 

Just to clarify it was predominately activists who complained about the names, not native Americans. Last I heard Washington is rethinking their decision to change the name of Redskins. IMHO, if the Washington Redskins wanted to lose offensive names they should keep "Redskins" and lose "Washington."

 

I think Cleveland Progressives would be a safe choice.

 

Well I can't speak for the teams, but that sounds like a good suggestion. I don't know that they'll have an out-&-out, winner take all, vote but I'd imagine they're definitely going to want some fan feedback, first. To that end, I'm pretty sure they're tracking which names are trending in the twitterverse, and on any relevant platforms, including their own.

But here's the cool news: Washington is taking suggestions from fans (or from anyone who submits one). I submitted one early this morning; it was a breeze.

If you have any name ideas of your own for the D.C. team, or if you want to be one of the first to read my suggestion, that is, the name that will almost certainly be chosen, here's the link to my post #61, where you'll also find a link to the Washington site.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ns-in-cleveland.582508/page-3#post-1072297498

 

That's FUNNY! But, to return the update-favor, Washington already has dropped Redskins from their name. They're currently taking suggestions for their new name, if you'd like to share anything you come up with. The link to the site is in my post #61, in which I talk about my submission. Here's a link, but you're close enough to just scroll back a few.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ns-in-cleveland.582508/page-3#post-1072297498

 

Only one sport exists for me any more -- NHL hockey.

All the rest of it has turned into a politically-correct, nauseating puddle of Leftist PUKE....